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    Yes.....almost 2 years for the boat to come home.......I can't complain really as I did ask for a number of modifications and that dictates the queue listing for any special build.

    At least I'll have the time to clear the garage a bit more from the accumulated things that can't be got rid of.......to get rid of anything is like pulling out a Wisdom tooth......mostly the stuff gets repositioned so's I can get into the place, but the bullet is going to have to be bitten big time.

    It seems that almost everyone has gone for the SVM-2 mill so I expect there will be a lot of discussion going on with a comparison to the Tormach, Novacon and other mills in it's class.......but with one huge difference.....the SVM-2 is a mill designed from the bottom to top with linear rails as the axes mounts, so I expect to see advantages in that quarter alone.

    The testing time will be with the electronics.......they are Skyfire designed, at least the ones for the SVM-0 that were shown in earlier posts were, and so fairly new, and with that aspect the whole show will hang in the balance.......just one component out of wack and the whole house of cards will be on trial.

    Eventually the dust will settle, and the real test of long term bullet proof reliability will emerge.

    The SVM-0 is purely a hobby machine on steroids and then some, whereas the SVM-1 and 2 etc are mainly light industry orientated and will run neck and neck with similar longer term established mills, and that's a tough stage to be judged on when a crust of bread is to be earned, so a lot will hang on the performance and pricing.

    Quite frankly, performance can be generated by design, but pricing is in the lap of the commercial gods who do not smile frequently on start up companies wanting to break into the established circle of manufacturers, even if they are innovative and different.
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    Hi Handle, sorry to let you know that you will have to pay the GST, your machine is over $1000, there is no escape...The other little trick is that it's determined on the value of the item when it arrives here, not on the value when it was purchased. So I was doing well with the exchange rate by paying 100% up front, but the GST was paid on the current exchange rate, which is not so good.

    I got the machine out of the box this morning, and I'm very impressed with it.

    Defeng, if you are still reading this thread, you have done a very nice job on this machine, and the fact that you managed to deliver it at all under the circumstances makes you a very honourable fellow indeed.

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    for those who think its bad that this single man made a machine a year long


    about a month before, someone asked for half wrap on a mercedes van
    he ordered the van trough on mb usa and stuttgrat made

    he pad deposit in 2014 november
    he received the van in 2015 july..


    you know what, if a factory with over 100 year history makes a van half year long, then i think defeng was working with light speed.. yet it is hard to wait so long for a machine, but this is the truth..

    everyone knows an assembly plant makes a car about a couple of hour as it runs trough on the stations

    so what took a half year the mercedes to making a van? is it cool eh? :-)


    so everything just need to be examined in light..



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    Quote Originally Posted by victorofga View Post
    for those who think its bad that this single man made a machine a year long


    about a month before, someone asked for half wrap on a mercedes van
    he ordered the van trough on mb usa and stuttgrat made

    he pad deposit in 2014 november
    he received the van in 2015 july..


    you know what, if a factory with over 100 year history makes a van half year long, then i think defeng was working with light speed.. yet it is hard to wait so long for a machine, but this is the truth..

    everyone knows an assembly plant makes a car about a couple of hour as it runs trough on the stations

    so what took a half year the mercedes to making a van? is it cool eh? :-)


    so everything just need to be examined in light..
    Although I have not personally dropped any money in this whole ordeal, I am truly surprise how calm everyone is about this business.

    In light of the earlier analogy about waiting a year later for non-standard wrap from Mecedes, I think most will agree that custom requests will always take longer than the factory norms. However, I think the difference is in the communication. If it will take 2 yrs to deliver than indicate so at the initial order acceptance. This way, both customer and mfr agree and noone is misrepresenting. Not sure about the mercedes incidence, but I would think a 100yr old company would at least be communicating the customer.

    In my own case, I almost fell victim to the "est net 90" delivery dates. At this rate, noone seems to know when and if they will receive their machine. What viable business takes money and the customer doesnt havent an idea when they will receive their merchandise or service.

    I know there were a few comments here about Defeng really isnt a business and he's "one of us" just trying to give us DIY'rs something thats not available in the market. But come on folks, if Defeng's capacity is only 1-2 machines per year, then maybe he shouldn't take anymore orders?

    I'm rooting for him but, 2 yrs w/little to no-communication?



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    the half wrap was asked, made by us...

    the van manufacturing was asked made by mercedes

    while it is a weird example.. it is true..
    communication?
    im not sure you could call a supervisor, or an enginer ""any time"" at mercedes.. if, anyway you could get any number..

    and also, folks who ordered and they satisfed thats fine.. it doesnt mean everyone need to feel same..

    human is weird.. workign 30 + years, for a dream if, if survive the 65 he might receiving benefit :-)

    who can tell me seriously, that government 30 year later pays me?

    it pending on what you put next comparison..

    also on other hand, you can buy a grizzly mill, and buy electronic, and 3 week later you can clamp the block of steel, and start to mill...

    on other hand, im glad folks trusted him, and he get a CHANCE
    a chance what actually everyuone should deserve..

    imagine, youre at a company that they looking for drivers..
    you need to proof, you can drive 4 hour without stop..
    and you have to proof it in within the half hour they listening you..

    you can not proof, so youre not ok..

    altough youre capable.. but you dont get chance, so they can tell you youre not capable..


    all poster need to realise that freedom is for everyone, not only for you..



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    Hi, I did it because there ain't nothing like it on the market......can't speak for the others who invested in the bigger mills as there are competitive models out there without the long wait, but the SVM-0 evolved to be in a class of it's own..........if you want a smorgasbord and will settle for a ham sandwich, the Skyfire solution Is not for you.

    Defeng had initial problems that seem to have been sorted out, so as the tide rushes in inexorably, so eventually will the mills from his newly revitalised production line.
    Ian,



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    Quote Originally Posted by johnno402002 View Post
    Hi Handle, sorry to let you know that you will have to pay the GST, your machine is over $1000, there is no escape...The other little trick is that it's determined on the value of the item when it arrives here, not on the value when it was purchased. So I was doing well with the exchange rate by paying 100% up front, but the GST was paid on the current exchange rate, which is not so good.

    I got the machine out of the box this morning, and I'm very impressed with it.

    Defeng, if you are still reading this thread, you have done a very nice job on this machine, and the fact that you managed to deliver it at all under the circumstances makes you a very honourable fellow indeed.
    Hi Johnno.........yes, I forgot that anything over a grand is GST'able .......you did say about $2,500 including GST......what port of entry did you get and is that delivery to your door too in the price?
    Ian.



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    Quote Originally Posted by victorofga View Post
    everyone knows an assembly plant makes a car about a couple of hour as it runs trough on the stations
    so what took a half year the mercedes to making a van?
    Probably because there were a few thousand orders placed before his, so his was built once the queue reached his order.

    In Ian's case, he has been waiting a couple years, not because it takes a couple of years to build the machine, but because Defeng is still at the developmental stage, rather than the production stage. Apples & Oranges.

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    The issue I have is i ordered Standard of the Shelf retail items to Upgrade a Mill but did pay but did not receive any sign of live towards me
    IT is ok that He now delivers his machines but i feel now a Little like not successful crouwdfounding in an non crouwdfounding store .. But i have a plan b and a learning curve ..

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    Hi, practically any factory nowadays doing hi volume production do not cater for non standard items.......most of the non standard production is sub contracted out and you pay accordingly.

    The firm I worked for before I retired, closed down their non standard and out of tolerance re-work shop under the 80-20 rule as advised by a team of consultants at the time.

    Production items that were out of tolerance were automatically tossed in the scrap bin.........it cost ten times as much to rework an out of tolerance component as it does to keep a Micron Haesler rotatry table transfer machine running for another hour or so......the rotary transfer machine, with about 12 stations, knocks out components in 8 to 10 seconds on a 24/7 basis......the savings for the non standard shop closure with 6 skilled workers amounted to $500,000 per year in 2001.

    Defeng may not be all that high on the production output, but a production line relies on specific and dedicated continuity to function at a cost, and time is money in any language.
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    Default Re: Show how to build a CNC machine from the very beginning to the end

    So how many people on this thread have paid in advance for machines, and are waiting for delivery? And how long have you been waiting?

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    I think the better question is, "...how many people have paid in advance and know when they are going to get it regardless of production, development or other issues. Or at least have been consistently informed or appropriately been updated of the delays so we are kept abreast of the situation."



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    I think the better question is, "...how many people have paid in advance and know when they are going to get it regardless of production, development or other issues. Or at least have been consistently informed or appropriately been updated of the delays so we are kept abreast of the situation."
    Now you're just asking for too much.

    What do you think this is?
    I mean Ian has waited well over two years and still nothing.

    And I thought from the pictures that were posted that his machine would of been next in line to ship after Louie's. But nope, SVM-2 makes it out the door before his. So comical all of this.



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    Quote Originally Posted by G59 View Post
    Now you're just asking for too much.

    What do you think this is?
    I mean Ian has waited well over two years and still nothing.

    And I thought from the pictures that were posted that his machine would of been next in line to ship after Louie's. But nope, SVM-2 makes it out the door before his. So comical all of this.
    Get real G59.....there is a priority list....even I know that.......when you ask for off the listing extras, you must expect to wait a bit longer.........how long is irrelevant when the show doing the making has a hiccup along the way.

    Now the show is on the road again, I have great expectations that all the back orders will eventuate as they always do.........as the machines in question are quite far advanced along the production line as opposed to placing an order and waiting for a new build to happen, any day now the shippers will announce the EST of the back order item........patience is a virtue, practice makes perfect.

    BTW, it will be 2 years come October 2015, not more than 2 years.....exaggeration does not become you.......money well spent is my prerogative........thee does not get owt for nowt in this World laddie.
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    Whatever, still very comical to me. Certainly not worth the wait if you were waiting for it to come and then you die without even having mastered the tool.
    Time is money even when its a hobby. Or in your case waiting to get all those inventions that are in your head out and materialized. I think you have lots of good/interesting ideas. Too bad that this waiting has been so long. I sure hope your not another Starlite inventor.



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    Quote Originally Posted by G59 View Post
    Whatever, still very comical to me. Certainly not worth the wait if you were waiting for it to come and then you die without even having mastered the tool.
    Time is money even when its a hobby. Or in your case waiting to get all those inventions that are in your head out and materialized. I think you have lots of good/interesting ideas. Too bad that this waiting has been so long. I sure hope your not another Starlite inventor.
    How long ago did you place your order and how much down payment did you pay?

    cheers, Ian

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    Is that a requirement to post on this thread? I didn't know.



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    deep breaths boys getting silly again yes it`s not funny

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    Well, just for the information.......I forked out $6,000 + a bit, money up front etc in October 2013.......that's the way business is done.........nobody will entertain you for a bespoke machine and only a small deposit.......the inconvenient delay was not part of the plan as is now apparent.
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    The lengthy delay hasn't really put me off too much from considering one myself possibly. I think it's just the nature of producing good quality equipment in a market like this as a business yourself, and it certainly seems like Defeng's doing his best to follow through with everyone, although granted, the communication could have been a lot better.

    When I ordered and paid in full for my imported lathe and mill from a local supplier some years back, I was told around 4 weeks for delivery, one delay led to another and it was over 6 months later I finally got them.

    cheers, Ian

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