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    If it's accessible natively from the start menu it's not a hack.



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    Quote Originally Posted by CL_MotoTech View Post
    If it's accessible natively from the start menu it's not a hack.
    Been 10 years since I was a licensing specialist for MS, and I am very rusty and don't particularly have any interest in looking up the Windows 10 EULA, but you might still find wording in it that prohibits you under the agreement from bypassing any technology they include (even if it can be done from within the system). So while you may / may not be able to physically beat the system, that may then make you in breach of the license agreement. Unless you have spent years in the bowels of the Microsoft licensing world, most people have no idea just how restrictive the licensing agreements are, including the volume licensing agreements.

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    Why would I care if I breach the license agreement? What are they going to do? Prosecute me over $300?



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    Quote Originally Posted by CL_MotoTech View Post
    Why would I care if I breach the license agreement? What are they going to do? Prosecute me over $300?
    lol if only you knew... Best not to open a can of worms you don't want to see, but take it form me if MS decide to come for you it wont be for some paltry $300. Anyway way off topic and I no longer work for them, so it is no longer my concern what anyone does.

    Suffice to say I am to a large degree leaving their world behind to go live in the Linux world. I will continue to use Win 7 as long as I can as it is a damn good OS and there will always be programs that only run on Windows. I had hoped that one day they would come to their senses and come back to the real world, but 3 OSes on we just have more and more crap with each one getting worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Wolf View Post

    Suffice to say I am to a large degree leaving their world behind to go live in the Linux world. I will continue to use Win 7 as long as I can as it is a damn good OS and there will always be programs that only run on Windows. I had hoped that one day they would come to their senses and come back to the real world, but 3 OSes on we just have more and more crap with each one getting worse.
    I have to agree.I moved to Linux about 12 years ago but I still find it necessary to have an old Win 7 box to update the satnav for the car as Garmin only works with Windows.It is quite noticeably slower to connect to websites than the Linux machine that sits a few feet away.From your comments it would seem that things have only got worse. My limited experience with Win 10 showed me that there is lots of graphic nonsense and animations all over the place and it clearly has to be absorbing some of the computing resources that could be doing the things I switched on the computer for.I have the same reservations about the Compiz Fusion aspects of Linux but since I switch off the graphical trickery it doesn't bother me.



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    Quote Originally Posted by routalot View Post
    I have to agree.I moved to Linux about 12 years ago but I still find it necessary to have an old Win 7 box to update the satnav for the car as Garmin only works with Windows.It is quite noticeably slower to connect to websites than the Linux machine that sits a few feet away.From your comments it would seem that things have only got worse. My limited experience with Win 10 showed me that there is lots of graphic nonsense and animations all over the place and it clearly has to be absorbing some of the computing resources that could be doing the things I switched on the computer for.I have the same reservations about the Compiz Fusion aspects of Linux but since I switch off the graphical trickery it doesn't bother me.
    To me since Windows 8 it has only become more gimmicky as time went by. Most of the stuff they have added only serves as bloatware. As faster and faster processors become available more and more resources have been consumed by garbage, doesn't matter how much RAM and processing you throw at they will always find a way to use it up rather than giving you a basic OS with more speed.

    Every version I seem to spend more and more time getting it back to the simple interface I want. I don't play Candy Crush so what kind of moron would code an operating system to include it. I don't want flashy icon rotating or doing any other fancy things, so to me these are just using up cycles I could be using for apps that I do want. I don't want Cortana spying on everything I say or type, so I definitely don't want it hard coded into the OS using up both resources and hard drive space. Windows has become a bad joke that has gotten out of control.

    When I installed Linux Mint it was straight forward and didn't have to create any identifiable accounts just to log in. It was straight forward and clean like an OS should be. Once I buy a new laptop Linux will be going straight of before the Windows agreement is even accepted.

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    I agree 100% with your conclusions regarding bloatware and privacy.

    That's why every Windows computer gets a fresh install of W10 enterprise before I do anything else. These days with web based driver downloads/support it's faster to do the clean install than it is to pick through bloatware. I also install classic shell to get the start menu cleaned up. Then I install a browser of choice, Office Suite, etc.. It's silly that it takes this much work, MS definitely doesn't understand/care about the user side expense of their product. I'll add, one of the tricks with W10 installs is to not enter information or skip the login information. You can breeze right through just about all of those screens with no entry.

    I wish there was an OSX based controller, it would be a best of both worlds. My machining environment requires I use my controller for CAD/CAM and Linux is precluded as a result. I have a dedicated CAD/CAM work station in my office, but my shop is 80 feet away from there. It's really nice to adjust programs as I watch them run, it's also nice to CAD/CAM items up that I am working on directly in my shop. As I recall, only Siemens NX is available on Linux, and I'm not about to buy one of those licenses. OSX of course is every bit as reliable and resource sensitive as most Linux distros I have used. Apple of course does a great job of protecting privacy, there are of course other issues, primarily the steep cost of entry.



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    Quote Originally Posted by CL_MotoTech View Post
    I agree 100% with your conclusions regarding bloatware and privacy.

    That's why every Windows computer gets a fresh install of W10 enterprise before I do anything else. These days with web based driver downloads/support it's faster to do the clean install than it is to pick through bloatware. I also install classic shell to get the start menu cleaned up. Then I install a browser of choice, Office Suite, etc.. It's silly that it takes this much work, MS definitely doesn't understand/care about the user side expense of their product. I'll add, one of the tricks with W10 installs is to not enter information or skip the login information. You can breeze right through just about all of those screens with no entry.

    I wish there was an OSX based controller, it would be a best of both worlds. My machining environment requires I use my controller for CAD/CAM and Linux is precluded as a result. I have a dedicated CAD/CAM work station in my office, but my shop is 80 feet away from there. It's really nice to adjust programs as I watch them run, it's also nice to CAD/CAM items up that I am working on directly in my shop. As I recall, only Siemens NX is available on Linux, and I'm not about to buy one of those licenses. OSX of course is every bit as reliable and resource sensitive as most Linux distros I have used. Apple of course does a great job of protecting privacy, there are of course other issues, primarily the steep cost of entry.
    Have you tried running your CAD/CAM program of choice under Wine?As I may have mentioned,I use Freecad on my machine control computer which uses LinuxCNC and as it isn't too easy to add Freecad to this particular distro-I use the Windows version under Wine.Other than not having ready access to the daily updates,as I do with my main Linux machine in the house,I can generate a useful amount of gcode if I need to.



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    Quote Originally Posted by CL_MotoTech View Post
    I agree 100% with your conclusions regarding bloatware and privacy.

    That's why every Windows computer gets a fresh install of W10 enterprise before I do anything else. These days with web based driver downloads/support it's faster to do the clean install than it is to pick through bloatware. I also install classic shell to get the start menu cleaned up. Then I install a browser of choice, Office Suite, etc.. It's silly that it takes this much work, MS definitely doesn't understand/care about the user side expense of their product. I'll add, one of the tricks with W10 installs is to not enter information or skip the login information. You can breeze right through just about all of those screens with no entry.

    I wish there was an OSX based controller, it would be a best of both worlds. My machining environment requires I use my controller for CAD/CAM and Linux is precluded as a result. I have a dedicated CAD/CAM work station in my office, but my shop is 80 feet away from there. It's really nice to adjust programs as I watch them run, it's also nice to CAD/CAM items up that I am working on directly in my shop. As I recall, only Siemens NX is available on Linux, and I'm not about to buy one of those licenses. OSX of course is every bit as reliable and resource sensitive as most Linux distros I have used. Apple of course does a great job of protecting privacy, there are of course other issues, primarily the steep cost of entry.
    I wasn't talking about OEM bloatware like being stuffed full of Google app you don't want, but I'm talking about MS included bloatware. Back in Win 98 days I could do an install that only took up 50MB of space, Win 10 takes up 50GB of space, this is a thousand fold increase which is ridiculous. I would hope to God that Candy Crush is not a default part of W10 Enterprise build. I even gave some thought about how I could get my hands on an Enterprise edition and a MAC code, to disable telemetry altogether, but to be honest I had already encountered Win 10 several times before I bought the new laptop and had made up my mind I didn't want it. I even refused their free upgrade when they were bombarding my old laptop with upgrade notifications.

    Microsoft's insistence on trying to push it down my throat made me only more determined not to have it. Beyond removing all the crap to the right of the start menu I didn't bother with any more customized start menu options, was there an option for something more classic available or was it a hack app? That stupidly thin scroll arrow made things unnecessarily hard to navigate as did organizing things by letters. Often you forget who is the manufacturer of the app and you only remember the name, like SketchUp does it show up under Trimble, or Google, or who ever owns it these days. They stuffed the menu system.

    I decided I didn't want to use Edge as it was just more data gathering so I installed Firefox, but often you have to use Edge first to get to download it unless you use a portable version. Then you still cant uninstall Edge even if you never plan to use it. Even though I have several legal copies of Office (as is all my MS products) I have abandoned Office in favour of Libre Office, so I can just pick up where I left off. MS has really pissed me off with all their spying and data gathering to the point I am now trying to avoid anything MS.

    I used DoNotSpy10 to disable everything I could (think you can even stop updates to some degree) but I allowed it to update to keep it patched, but they would just restart when they wanted, and because I leave the laptop on 24/7 when they rebooted it would crash close my Win 7 virtual machine which annoyed me no end. When I get a new laptop and put Linux on it hopefully those days will be over. You can disable all you like but Microsoft finds a way to turn it back on, just like after a big update you go back into DoNotSpy10 and you see Microsoft have re-enabled a whole lot of stuff you turned off.

    Don`t know if I am buying Apple is secure they left a security vulnerability in the software for 2 years without patching it. I think Linux is the most secure, and Windows the least with deliberately leaving back doors open for govt agencies to just waltz in along with any hacker smart enough to work it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by routalot View Post
    Have you tried running your CAD/CAM program of choice under Wine?As I may have mentioned,I use Freecad on my machine control computer which uses LinuxCNC and as it isn't too easy to add Freecad to this particular distro-I use the Windows version under Wine.Other than not having ready access to the daily updates,as I do with my main Linux machine in the house,I can generate a useful amount of gcode if I need to.
    I really hadn't given much thought to app emulation from within Linux, but in my effort to be less MS reliant this may not be a bad idea.

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