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    Default Re: Huanyang VFD Macro/ Plugin

    I finally understand what you were saying about the spindle starting even though the speed on Sact is 0
    If I repeat the test after repowering the VFD it wont run because it doesn't have a speed set in it.
    If I had previously had the spindle running then it uses the speed set in the VFD.

    Things finally sink in if I think about them long enough.

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    Default Re: Huanyang VFD Macro/ Plugin

    The new version seems to work fine for me. I don't see any difference, and am getting 100% reliability.

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    Default Re: Huanyang VFD Macro/ Plugin

    Quote Originally Posted by P.Passuello View Post
    I finally understand what you were saying about the spindle starting even though the speed on Sact is 0
    If I repeat the test after repowering the VFD it wont run because it doesn't have a speed set in it.
    If I had previously had the spindle running then it uses the speed set in the VFD.

    Things finally sink in if I think about them long enough.

    Cheers
    Peter
    Yes, don't look at Sact field as actual spindle speed, look at is as what your VFD is set to. When you first start UCCNC and Sact reads 0 and turn spindle on its sending 0 frequency to VFD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ger21 View Post
    The new version seems to work fine for me. I don't see any difference, and am getting 100% reliability.
    On some computers(slower) sometimes only when you first start UCCNC Sact field reads zero and this is what VFD is set to, it should read min RPM. I haven't been able to reproduce this on my office comp(Quad core) but on my machine comp with XP it randomly does. What I suspect is happening is the plugin is setting frequency before finishing reading the new settings file. This problem surfaced when removing connection window with new settings file.

    I really haven't had time to really go over other than at night when I finally sit and enjoying my glass of wine or 2 which isn't the best combination...lol

    I do have time today and hope to clean this up and do some cut testing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P.Passuello View Post
    I have now tested the new Test5 plugin and have the same results I got before.
    The Sact comes up as 0 but the spindle starts anyway.
    It starts at what looks like the previous speed setting it had as opposed to Sset value.
    It is still missing out speed changes as well.
    To make sure this issue is not noise related I unplugged the spindle from the VFD and just manually checked the VFD speed readout. The problem still occurs with the spindle disconnected so it is unlikely to be noise related.

    I made another video of the plugins behavour

    https://goo.gl/photos/EeqeSCzGAFCX4Azw5


    I don't pretend to know how to make a plug in or even how it works but I wonder if it would be a good idea to send each on / off / speed command 3 times , 0.5 sec or 1 sec apart just in case it is missed by the VFD on occassions.
    with the wide range of RS485 adapters and HY VFD varriants I wonder if it would make a more robust communication.
    Like I said I don't know much about this, you may already be doing it or it may not even be possible or desirable but I thought I would mention it anyway.

    I really appreciate the time you are spending on this.

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    I will clean it up today.

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    Default Re: Huanyang VFD Macro/ Plugin

    I just thought I should test, to make sure no new bugs creep in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ger21 View Post
    I just thought I should test, to make sure no new bugs creep in.
    Hoping to remove these little bugs and not add new ones...Hoping

    I found where the issue is and heading to basement to test on machine, even though you haven't seen this bug you should download. This fix will also stop the speed override from setting improper speed when using speed override very quickly.

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    Default Re: Huanyang VFD Macro/ Plugin

    Ger, I'm having a minor issue with 2017 screenset and not sure if it's the plugin causing it or me modifying the screen for amp field or neither. When screen loads the speed override sliding bar is all the way to right and when I hit reset it goes all the way left. Not in middle like Feedrate. UCCNC 37, no issues with default.

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    Default Re: Huanyang VFD Macro/ Plugin

    It's a bug in UCCNC, I just reported it. The reset buttons move the sliders all the way to the left, but set the DRO's at 100%

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    Default Re: Huanyang VFD Macro/ Plugin

    Actually, the spindle override should be all the way to the right.
    Feedrate is 0%-200%, so 100% is in the middle.
    Spindle speed is 50%-100%, so 100% is all the way to the right.
    You can change the min and max with the screen editor, by selecting the sliders.

    The bug is when you click Reset, as they shouldn't be moving all the way to the left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ger21 View Post
    Actually, the spindle override should be all the way to the right.
    Feedrate is 0%-200%, so 100% is in the middle.
    Spindle speed is 50%-100%, so 100% is all the way to the right.
    You can change the min and max with the screen editor, by selecting the sliders.

    The bug is when you click Reset, as they shouldn't be moving all the way to the left.
    Can it be reset to middle so you have a choice of a higher or lower RPM?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan911 View Post
    Can it be reset to middle so you have a choice of a higher or lower RPM?
    Ok I typed before thinking. I set max to 200% and min to 0 and works perfectly.

    Although when I hit reset it goes all the way left and sets a 100% when the middle should be 100%.



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    Default Re: Huanyang VFD Macro/ Plugin

    Although when I hit reset it goes all the way left and sets a 100% when the middle should be 100%.
    CNC Drive just confirmed that this is fixed in the next version.

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    Default Re: Huanyang VFD Macro/ Plugin

    Hello Everyone,

    I think we may be there to finally take the label of Test off the plugin, thank you all who helped with testing and removing these bugs quickly. I ask hopefully one last time for those who can to test and post back your results with system specs, especially those who were having those random 0 frequency loads and skipped sets with spindle override.


    Test7.rar.zip


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    Default Re: Huanyang VFD Macro/ Plugin

    Hi Dan,

    Good news and bad on Test7
    The Sact comes up as matching the Sset everytime.

    However when you start the spindle it may or may not be the speed shown on the Sact that the spindle starts at.

    https://goo.gl/photos/uqZ1fBw27FRemVFT8

    Sorry for the bad news.
    I'm picking that my laptop is slow and is a worst case and fails more than others.

    I am working today but will test ASAP anything you need done.


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    Default Re: Huanyang VFD Macro/ Plugin

    Hi Dan,
    thank you very much for your hard work on the plugin! Awesome!
    Do you want me to test this version Test7 on UCCNC 37 and Windows10 (Intel I3)? I can collect some systems specs.
    It is night here, my wife and son are sleeping, the machine room is just next to the bed room, and I would avoid to wake them up with a series of noisy tests...
    Though, I would be able to do it tomorrow morning.

    I did not have problems with test version 2 or 3 (I don't remember), the one that does not have the connection confirmation pop-up at the start, and that one just works fine.

    Getting noticed by a pop-up window only in case of a communication failure could be very nice... But I believe you already build that functionality in.
    Regards,
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    Hey Peter,

    Yes that's disappointing, unfortunately I don't know what more I can do on plugin end. Briefly... the plugin uses the same variable sent to Sact for calculation of HZ, I been using all day and working flawless. You need to check on your end for possible noise related issues that can be the cause. I see you have your VFD right next to your controllers, I couldn't see if you were using a shielded cable from RS-485 and spindle.

    I also see you have a speed control knob, have you tried disabling it? I think there's a jumper for this along with additional PD settings in VFD software, I read of many having trouble with this control. I'm certainly going to double check everything on plugin end.

    Dan



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    Default Re: Huanyang VFD Macro/ Plugin

    Hi Jack whenever you have time would be great. Our time difference is a killer, I'm about to go out to eat.

    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan911 View Post
    Hey Peter,

    Yes that's disappointing, unfortunately I don't know what more I can do on plugin end. Briefly... the plugin uses the same variable sent to Sact for calculation of HZ, I been using all day and working flawless. You need to check on your end for possible noise related issues that can be the cause. I see you have your VFD right next to your controllers, I couldn't see if you were using a shielded cable from RS-485 and spindle.

    I also see you have a speed control knob, have you tried disabling it? I think there's a jumper for this along with additional PD settings in VFD software, I read of many having trouble with this control. I'm certainly going to double check everything on plugin end.

    Dan


    I really, really appreciate all the help you have given in trying to sort this out for me and others.
    It makes sense that if I am the only one experiencing the speed issue then it is something at my end.
    I have been in the fault finding game too long to blame or rule out any particular part as ok until I have tested and proved it.

    I am very mindful through out all my testing of the noise issue given where the VFD is located, though realistically the cable will be run to it no matter where I put the thing.

    The cable from the VFD to the RS485 is a balanced shielded cable with the shield connected to earthed.

    To make sure the problem wasn't noise from the VFD I did the tests with the spindle unplugged and just monitored the VFD display to make sure the speed was changing.
    It still fails for me though and using an audio probe I can hear the data being sent from the RS485 to the VFD so I'm sure the plugin is solid.
    That is why I was thinking it may be an RS485 adapter issue. Maybe its output is dodgy.
    I have already ordered a unit with the same chipset that Gerry and Jack are using to see if it produces different results and will post my findings.
    It could also be an issue with my VFD but I don't see myself getting a spare one at this time.

    The Jumper is in the VI position on my VFD and I had setup Analogue speed control just before moving onto RS485 to see how it went.

    I will also go back to Mach3 and give it a damn good thrashing to see if I can fault it as well.

    Once again thank you for all the hard work you have put into this.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by P.Passuello View Post
    I really, really appreciate all the help you have given in trying to sort this out for me and others.
    It makes sense that if I am the only one experiencing the speed issue then it is something at my end.
    I have been in the fault finding game too long to blame or rule out any particular part as ok until I have tested and proved it.

    I am very mindful through out all my testing of the noise issue given where the VFD is located, though realistically the cable will be run to it no matter where I put the thing.

    The cable from the VFD to the RS485 is a balanced shielded cable with the shield connected to earthed.

    To make sure the problem wasn't noise from the VFD I did the tests with the spindle unplugged and just monitored the VFD display to make sure the speed was changing.
    It still fails for me though and using an audio probe I can hear the data being sent from the RS485 to the VFD so I'm sure the plugin is solid.
    That is why I was thinking it may be an RS485 adapter issue. Maybe its output is dodgy.
    I have already ordered a unit with the same chipset that Gerry and Jack are using to see if it produces different results and will post my findings.
    It could also be an issue with my VFD but I don't see myself getting a spare one at this time.

    The Jumper is in the VI position on my VFD and I had setup Analogue speed control just before moving onto RS485 to see how it went.

    I will also go back to Mach3 and give it a damn good thrashing to see if I can fault it as well.

    Once again thank you for all the hard work you have put into this.

    Cheers
    Peter
    I just watched your video again and seen on/off worked no problems and frequency is your problem. I can't help but feel that speed control pot may possibly be the problem, you have two choices with jumper with 3 pins, analog or pot and you are using neither, have you tried just removing jumper?

    With the plugin sending 100hz to VFD for 6000rpm and it starts at 9000rpm makes me think there's some sort of interference.

    Dan



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