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    My Rhino 4, pay once and its yours for life, now if you want to update to a newer version then its going to cost you.
    It is also not cloud based..............

    It is also easy to learn or at least it was for me..

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    This was always coming and the main reason I found it difficult to recommend 360.

    Interesting that the first thing on the chopping block is the ability to move to another platform - cunning stunt indeed.

    Sadly, Rhino, FreeCAD etc don't offer the CAM capabilities and anything else that does is going to cost you big time, particularly if you start moving into 4 and 5 axis land.

    Dunno how this one will play out.



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    Never really had any luck with FREE 'anything'. If its not totally crap at the first place, then it never really last for too long and end up costing you a bloody fortune at the end (that last hot chick from that Romeo Night Club comes to mind).

    Quote Originally Posted by dharmic View Post
    FreeCAD etc don't offer the CAM capabilities
    https://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/Path_Workbench
    https://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/Fourth_Axis
    Time to get the matrix and 3DVector maths polished if you want sim 4ax/5ax. Seen it working/in action although the coder does not share his code. Very doable tho.

    Quote Originally Posted by dharmic View Post
    anything else that does is going to cost you big time, particularly if you start moving into 4 and 5 axis land.
    +1. Although the trick to funding software is to find a solid contract or long term business relationship and get that to pay for it (that's what we do at the Co.). For hobby 4ax/5ax (read once or twice per year, maybe bit more) its almost always cheaper to outsource that part than to procure software, post mods, etc.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzzer View Post
    Freecad is a CAD application, whereas Fusion (as the name suggests) brings together other elements on top of CAD. So if you are ever planning on doing any CNC work, Fusion is excellent and Freecad by itself is a chocolate teapot. The simultaneous multi-axis CAM in Fusion is a fantastic offering for students and hobby users and is helping to create a whole new generation of engineers. Just look back at how manufacturing technology has opened up over the last 10-20 years.

    The Fusion team have started to introduce "extensions" which are paid-for features such as advanced probing (inspection) operations and fancy toolpaths. This seems to be the way they plan to increase subscription revenues, beyond lowering the threshold. As long as young engineers (and hobbyists like me) are able to use it without damaging their commercial model, we can all win - and for that I am very grateful. I just hope they don't pull any really cunning stunts on us.....
    I don't know when you last looked at Freecad.I use the Path workbench to generate programs for my machine.The 4th axis aspect seems to be getting closer to ready for release and the youtube videos will show you more.I don't think too many hobbyists have 5 axis machines yet and it will obviously take a lot of work to develop a post processor that will work reliably.I fully expect it to happen in due course.I would like to learn more about the FEM and CFD capabilities at some point too.My impression is that the Linux version is a little ahead of the Windows version and you may have to enable experimental features and maybe download a couple of additional libraries to get the most from it.It will stay free-thats the way open source works.



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    Thanks for pointing out the CAM work that's going on in FreeCAD - apologies for sounding so ignorant and opinionated! It's come a long way since I looked at it a few years back, when it was very limited and impossibly buggy (for me). Looks pretty capable, although I couldn't easily find anything on post processors. Doubtless there is some content on the wiki but it doesn't jump out at you.

    Great to see this work progressing. Hopefully, when / if Fusion cuts off hobby users, FreeCAD will be more than capable of leading the charge.

    Personally, 3 axis simultaneous is my limit unless I win the lottery. But given that I've never bought a ticket, I'm not holding my breath. Beyond Fusion (and FeeCAD), the options for decent CAM are too expensive for most hobby users and students.



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    Well I've still got the free HSMExpress CAM embedded in my SW2014 CAD, but never used it yet as I'm still struggling on with Sprutcam.
    Should I use it? Anyone here doing so? And does it even have a potprocessor for Pathpilot...?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzzer View Post
    Thanks for pointing out the CAM work that's going on in FreeCAD - apologies for sounding so ignorant and opinionated! It's come a long way since I looked at it a few years back, when it was very limited and impossibly buggy (for me). Looks pretty capable, although I couldn't easily find anything on post processors. Doubtless there is some content on the wiki but it doesn't jump out at you.

    Great to see this work progressing. Hopefully, when / if Fusion cuts off hobby users, FreeCAD will be more than capable of leading the charge.

    Personally, 3 axis simultaneous is my limit unless I win the lottery. But given that I've never bought a ticket, I'm not holding my breath. Beyond Fusion (and FeeCAD), the options for decent CAM are too expensive for most hobby users and students.
    If anybody needs to know more about post processors for Freecad,this youtube video is worth watching . I have attached a screenshot to show the selection.


    post processor selection.bmp



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    Quote Originally Posted by dharmic View Post

    Interesting that the first thing on the chopping block is the ability to move to another platform - cunning stunt indeed.
    How do you figure? The hobby version doesn't include translators so you can't open other file formats, but if you've been working in Fusion for awhile you can still export your .igs files. Or am I missing something that would keep you from moving to a different software package? Does FreeCAD not support .igs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Neill View Post
    Well I've still got the free HSMExpress CAM embedded in my SW2014 CAD, but never used it yet as I'm still struggling on with Sprutcam.
    Should I use it? Anyone here doing so? And does it even have a potprocessor for Pathpilot...?
    HSMXpress is only 2.5. Sprut can do more but the interface and workflow always bothered me. I use Solidworks/HSMXpress at work and it's pretty slick, but our parts aren't very complicated.

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    Yes, Autodesk bought HSMWorks and integrated it into Inventor and Fusion. I was using Solidworks at the time and messing with the free 2.5D SW plugin was my first exposure to CAM. In contrast to that, the current CAM in Fusion includes true, simultaneous 5 axis machining. That's pretty amazing, given that it's (currently) free for hobby users. Last time I got a quote for 3 axis Sprutcam, it was over £1000.

    There aren't any CAD programs that will import assemblies without complete loss of joints / mates unless I've been missing something. I haven't been following the Fusion import tool but if they can import assemblies with mates, that will be impressive.

    I'll take a look at the FreeCAD videos - they look like a good starting point.



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    Quote Originally Posted by C*H*U*D View Post
    How do you figure? The hobby version doesn't include translators so you can't open other file formats, but if you've been working in Fusion for awhile you can still export your .igs files. Or am I missing something that would keep you from moving to a different software package? Does FreeCAD not support .igs?
    Ah, I didn't realise that they'd left that in there

    Not such a jerk move, then!



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    Quote Originally Posted by routalot View Post
    If anybody needs to know more about post processors for Freecad,this youtube video is worth watching .
    I watched the video but it leaves lots of questions. Does Freecad support things like HSM toolpaths, ramped entry, peck drilling, etc?



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