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    Default Re: HASS vs. Tormach 1100MX

    Tm-1P seems to be the best value of the bunch. I had an 1100 and other than some initial sloppy workmanship I didn't have any major complaints beyond the enclosure. Had to sell it when I moved, and now contemplating if I should get another. or something like a TM-1P which I doubt I'd ever outgrow



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    I think you are right. If I’m not mistaken the TM-1p can be run off residential 220volt power making it a good option for folks working out of their garages.
    Wish the 4th axis was not so expensive to set up.



    QUOTE=Spinnetti;2349610]Tm-1P seems to be the best value of the bunch. I had an 1100 and other than some initial sloppy workmanship I didn't have any major complaints beyond the enclosure. Had to sell it when I moved, and now contemplating if I should get another. or something like a TM-1P which I doubt I'd ever outgrow[/QUOTE]



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    Default Re: HASS vs. Tormach 1100MX

    Quote Originally Posted by n1tr0 View Post
    I've had machines without a PDB or ATC, but there's no way I'd go back, my time is worth more than those savings.
    Sure. I guess my point is that IMHO, the Tormach represents a much better value at $13k than the $20K+ you get to when you add the full setup. If you're like me, doing one-off parts and very small production, a PDB+ATC is more of a nice-to-have, as you're often standing at the machine anyway. Then there's the issues with the TTS PDB system, which is functional but fussy. I have maybe a couple hundred tool changes on mine so far with the ATC and I'm not yet comfortable enough to really leave it alone. The BT-30 system in principle should fix this, but the MX is going to be over 20k to start.

    I just think as you get into that 20K+ range, the used options start to look better. IME, you start seeing decent deals on VMCs around 15k for machines that aren't ancient or beat to $#@! and back. While everybody knows somebody who got a perfectly-good machine for $5k, those aren't everyday finds unless you know lots of shops. If you want to set aside say 10k for rigging, some $ for service, and other things that cost more for an industrial VMC, then you're starting to look at the same money an 1100MX costs.

    Now, there are some good reasons you might still want the Tormach. I have 250#/sqft floors in my shop, so even a MiniMill is out of the question for me. I like the PathPilot control over a 20+ year-old Haas or Fanuc. But I suspect a big part of their business plan is based on buyers like larger companies or schools whose purchasing departments don't understand used equipment.

    Quote Originally Posted by n1tr0 View Post
    US-based support from an established company definitely carries some value, but it is a balancing act. A company has to value your business and time in return too.
    I think the big criteria for me here is what happens if/when the manufacturer goes out of business. A small company with one principal and a couple dozen employees is never more than one car crash, lawsuit, or heart attack away from closing up. To the extent that these are simple machines built of commodity parts, they won't necessarily turn into pumpkins if that happens. But even here, volume matters: if Tormach went Ch. 7 tomorrow, the installed base would be a big help in keeping an 1100 running. Fadal built 50,000 VMCs out of mostly off-the-shelf parts before closing up almost 20 years ago, and as a result, replacement parts today are very available and cheap by VMC standards, and tons of guys know how to work on them. Probably one of the best garage VMCs if you can't afford new.



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