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    Quote Originally Posted by coffeetek View Post
    I have new Haas Mini Mill. Love it, no problems so far, works great. Its pumping out the parts.
    Very nice. I’m tentatively looking at this for a next ‘professional’ grade mill.
    How long have you owned it?
    That seems like the next step up beyond the 1100.
    What difference have you found between the two mills?
    Has it been more ‘reliable’ and accurate than the 1100?
    Has the haas carousel ATC been reliable?
    How is the accuracy?
    In general, what aspects of the haas mm make it more of a ‘professional mill over the 1100?
    Also, what cam program do you use?
    Thank you
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    Default Re: Tormach 2200 Professional CNC - your dream list

    Too bad a topic can't stay focused and comments were actually related to the original intent. But it never seems to happen.

    RAD. Yes those are my initials. Idea, design, build, use. It never ends.
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    Default Re: Tormach 2200 Professional CNC - your dream list

    At least the last few posts are relevant to the original topic. The sidetrack about ER tool holders was annoying.



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    Comparing Tormach with Haas is pointless. It's like comparing a go-kart to an F1 race car. One is clearly meant for the hobby market and the other is entry-level pro.

    The thing that put me off Tormach products and every other hobby level mill is the limited travel. Just because you are making something for hobby use doesn't mean it will be tiny small. Lots of sporting goods, for example, are 30" or longer.

    The 770 is one of the few hobby level CNC mills with a spindle that is fast enough for aluminum but it's only available with a tiny work envelope and a weak motor. It would be nice to have the option to upgrade the X travel and the motor.

    At this point Mr "I've been milling for 20 years" usually feels the need to point out that a larger motor requires greater rigidity and that people managed fine with 1 hp on old Bridgeport mills. This point is less relavent on the 770 though. Old Bridgeport mills max out at 3000rpm and 1hp can produce some nice torque at low speeds. At 10,000 rpm a 1hp motor only delivers .5 ft lb of torque. You get more on your average 2.2kw router spindle. It's nothing. That frame could easily tolerate a larger motor and the difference in price between a 1hp and a 2 or 3hp motor is tiny.

    Instead of a another model, I'd like to see them streamline to one modular and upgradable platform. The motor, the spindle taper, spindle speed, table size, controller, motors and amount of travel should all be selectable options so it can be specified based on the owners needs and budget. It should also be easy to upgrade so it grows with your needs.



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    I doubt that they are working on something bigger. They would need servos (to get around something bigger fast enough), 3-Phase (to cut something bigger fast enough), etc. You can't just scale one aspect. Most of us probably picked the Tormach to avoid something bigger, more expensive, and requiring 3-phase. Before you know it, you are getting close to a Haas TM. There are a few bigger mills out there (like the MX200), but I went with Tormach because they have been building and supporting the same series for over 10 years. It seemed that the others weren't as long-lasting in this space. And I wanted it to fit in my garage and not require 3-Phase. If there were anything I would want on the 1100, it would be faster and more coolant. The coolanr is easily doable, but faster probably requires a bunch of changes.



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    Comparing Tormach with Haas is pointless. It's like comparing a go-kart to an F1 race car.
    That is the point for me only in reverse. What I enjoy the most with the this system is how fast I go from art to precision part with little effort "after steep learning curve of course" is so cool.



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    I'll add one important thing to all these nice ideas and wishlists - a serious and reliable QUALITY CONTROL. So far it's a great design with well balanced price/performance ratio but Chinese production with Chinese QC.



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    Quote Originally Posted by syscore View Post
    I doubt that they are working on something bigger. They would need servos (to get around something bigger fast enough), 3-Phase (to cut something bigger fast enough), etc. You can't just scale one aspect. Most of us probably picked the Tormach to avoid something bigger, more expensive, and requiring 3-phase. Before you know it, you are getting close to a Haas TM. There are a few bigger mills out there (like the MX200), but I went with Tormach because they have been building and supporting the same series for over 10 years. It seemed that the others weren't as long-lasting in this space. And I wanted it to fit in my garage and not require 3-Phase. If there were anything I would want on the 1100, it would be faster and more coolant. The coolanr is easily doable, but faster probably requires a bunch of changes.
    Totally agree. For me three phase isn't a huge problem since I use RPC for my 14x40. For me the problem would be powering a 15+ hp motor.. Yes, the stock cooling system is a joke. My cheap solution was a sump pump in a Tupperware tank and 1" id tubing feeding three Loc-Lines. Less then $100 and it allows some serious flood cooling. Rigid threading would be nice.



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    Quote Originally Posted by syscore View Post
    I doubt that they are working on something bigger. They would need servos (to get around something bigger fast enough), 3-Phase (to cut something bigger fast enough), etc. You can't just scale one aspect. Most of us probably picked the Tormach to avoid something bigger, more expensive, and requiring 3-phase. Before you know it, you are getting close to a Haas TM...
    Haas TM has a 7.5hp motor running on Single phase. A machine targeted at the gap between a TM and the 1100 doesn't need to go faster and doesn't need to cut faster (than the 1100), just needs to make bigger parts without having to do 4 setups on each side. A 3hp 10000rpm spindle and servos with 400ipm rapids would be nice upgrades but not really necessary.



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    Quote Originally Posted by IMT View Post
    Haas TM has a 7.5hp motor running on Single phase. A machine targeted at the gap between a TM and the 1100 doesn't need to go faster and doesn't need to cut faster (than the 1100), just needs to make bigger parts without having to do 4 setups on each side. A 3hp 10000rpm spindle and servos with 400ipm rapids would be nice upgrades but not really necessary.
    That is pretty neat that you can run a TM-1 on single phase. I guess I could see the need for more workspace, but wouldn't a PCNC in between an 1100 and a TM1 (which weighs 4,000 lbs) weigh at least twice as much as an 1100 and require servos (or much bigger steppers) just to keep up with 1100 speeds and all of that extra weight?



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    Comparing a kart to Formula 1 car is actually a good bit more reasonable than comparing the vast majority of race cars to a formula 1 car, so it's a pretty poor analogy.

    How hard can it be to upgrade a 1100 to servos and a 10k Spindle? Probably not that hard.



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    ......+ replicable linear ways.



    QUOTE=CL_MotoTech;2161808]Comparing a kart to Formula 1 car is actually a good bit more reasonable than comparing the vast majority of race cars to a formula 1 car, so it's a pretty poor analogy.

    How hard can it be to upgrade a 1100 to servos and a 10k Spindle? Probably not that hard.[/QUOTE]



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