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    Default Congrats...

    Nice machines have lots of fun.
    How long till you get it.

    PEACE



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    We should be getting it next week sometime. Hopefully have it under power by the end of next week.

    I can't wait!!

    Last edited by MachineSMM; 07-09-2003 at 07:45 AM.
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    That's fast. When we get a new machine we always have to wait 2-3 months



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    The place we are buying it from has it at there place which is about 15 mile away. That is why we can get it so fast.

    MachineSMM


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    Default Re: wow...

    Originally posted by hardmill
    You guys took off w/ this thread

    >Boston Digital is now owned by Mikron and from
    >actual experience I would not recommend these
    >machines. Especially the mikron.

    Boston Digital is NOT owned by Mikron. Within
    this thread, I wonder how much more information
    is misleading or false?

    Boston Digital is now Bostomatic. Bostomatic and
    Mikron are seperate corps. Both owned by the
    AC Group which is the largest manufacturing solution
    provider in the world.

    >Makino - good

    >roeders- good

    >OKK is supposed to be a pretty tight machine.
    >Know a guy who owns 4 and he's in love w/ them.
    >I also know a dealer who sells all types, he says
    >OKKs his favorite.

    I know a guy that owns 1 of them and he hates the
    machine. Like any other product, some people will
    love them and other will dislike them.

    >Yasda - hands down the best of the best. with a price tag
    >to match, but as they say you get what you pay for. Definetly
    >the best machines out for high speed and hard machining.
    >I had 2 at my last shop.

    Give us more details on why Yasda is the best.

    >As far as controls go i did'nt care for the heidenhein,

    Why not?

    >I'm a FANUC guy all the way.
    >Everyone uses them , so with that said "how can that many
    >people be wrong?"

    Earlier, the FANUC control was not designed for HSM. In 85' the
    SPCII control from Boston Digital had a HD on the control
    and was designed for HSM. Later the company lead the
    industry into HSM with high end / high performance machining
    centers equiped with ethernet, 2 gig HD and .9ms bpt control.
    All in the early 90'. Not everyone could afford one like a
    standard machine with a fancu control. These machines are
    a dime a dozen and this is why they are popular. If you bought
    a commodity machine, you got a funuc control.

    >Thats all i got to say about that
    >PEACE




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    Boston Digital is now Bostomatic. Bostomatic and
    Mikron are seperate corps. Both owned by the
    AC Group which is the largest manufacturing solution
    provider in the world.
    This is the info we were fed when we bought a Mikron at our
    last shop. If the Mikron boys can't get it straight thats their
    prob.

    Yasda - hands down the best of the best. with a price tag
    to match, but as they say you get what you pay for. Definetly
    the best machines out for high speed and hard machining.
    I had 2 at my last shop.
    If you know hard machining you know why yasda is
    tops. By far the most rigid and accurate @ high and low speeds
    capible of holding .0002 depth, linears or dias. all day long. And
    this comes from hands on experience.

    Earlier, the FANUC control was not designed for HSM. In 85' the
    SPCII control from Boston Digital had a HD on the control
    and was designed for HSM. Later the company lead the
    industry into HSM with high end / high performance machining
    centers equiped with ethernet, 2 gig HD and .9ms bpt control.
    All in the early 90'. Not everyone could afford one like a
    standard machine with a fancu control. These machines are
    a dime a dozen and this is why they are popular. If you bought
    a commodity machine, you got a funuc control.
    If you want to prog at the machine go right ahead. I'll continue
    to watch while i'm at the computer. At the machine is not where
    its at, but if thats what you enjoy go right ahead. Conversational
    controls just don't float my boat.

    Boston Digital is NOT owned by Mikron. Within
    this thread, I wonder how much more information
    is misleading or false?
    Pretty harsh accusations would'nt you say, from a first time
    poster.
    Maybe you should contact mikrons west coast sales,
    they obviously talk like their machines run. Sketchy

    Thats all i got to say about that
    >PEACE
    Again PEACE



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    If you know hard machining you know why yasda is
    tops. By far the most rigid and accurate @ high and low speeds
    capible of holding .0002 depth, linears or dias. all day long. And
    this comes from hands on experience.
    You guys love throwing "holding .0002" around. I believe
    this one. On a Big Plus - 7/24 taper spindle?
    If you know hard machining you know why yasda is
    tops
    I perfer not to guess, so please explain.
    If you want to prog at the machine go right ahead. I'll continue
    to watch while i'm at the computer. At the machine is not where
    its at, but if thats what you enjoy go right ahead. Conversational
    controls just don't float my boat.
    Now this would be silly. You can do both ISO and conversational
    on the Heidenhain. Your statement misleads people into thinking
    the Heidenhain control can only be programmed using conversational code.
    When you have an interest into a particular brand, one tends to
    bring comment on the another brand based on 'hear-say' rather then through
    extensive experience.
    I have nothing to sell......



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    iceo

    do you have any mikron machines or ever use one

    rollie


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    Default Nothing to sell....

    Now this would be silly. You can do both ISO and conversational
    on the Heidenhain. Your statement misleads people into thinking
    the Heidenhain control can only be programmed using conversational code.
    When you have an interest into a particular brand, one tends to
    bring comment on the another brand based on 'hear-say' rather then through extensive experience.
    I have nothing to sell......
    I also have nothing to sell.
    I'm not the one who boasts of their conversational code, nor
    an inability to do otherwise. I don't need a control w/ all
    kind of bells and whistles, my (cadcam)programming skills is my concern.
    Not hear say I actually choose not to be a part of that control.
    I have seen it in action

    As far as controls go i did'nt care for the heidenhein,
    Thats all I said, nothing more and I stick by it.
    I had my choice and chose the Fanuc 16i.

    You guys love throwing "holding .0002" around. I believe
    this one. On a Big Plus - 7/24 taper spindle?
    Yes it was with a big plus system. And why would'nt you throw
    .0002 tol around not just any machine can do it. I know from
    experience the Mikron can't do it. Ask Jimmy (also a Mod. here)
    he still works there.

    I will not back away from anything said, as I say it from real
    experience. Nor will I be goated into an argument.
    I speak w/ a 20 yr. machining background, I am currently
    starting a consulting business for high speed and hard
    machining and recently became a Mastercam Refferal
    Dealer.
    People are here asking for real answers from individuals
    w/ real time experience.
    We have yet to here of your experience "iceo".
    Excuse me for being so rude, Welcome to the forum

    PEACE



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    Hardmill has done nothing but help me with every question that I have asked of him. He has openly shared his knowledge with everyone here. I don't know why people have to come here and try to stir things up. It gets really old.

    Hardmill, just ignore that guy and let’s get back to business. I would like to talk to you tomorrow sometime. Our new Makino will be in the middle of next week and I would like to get your opinion on tooling.

    Please Email me at:

    christellers@eschelon.com

    Thanks

    MachineSMM


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    Yes it was with a big plus system. And why would'nt you throw
    .0002 tol around not just any machine can do it. I know from
    experience the Mikron can't do it. Ask Jimmy (also a Mod. here)
    he still works there.
    Is this on a 3 or 5 axis machine? If this is a 5 axis machine, then show me ANY
    5 axis mill that can hold .0002. I don't think you can.



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    Originally posted by iceo
    Is this on a 3 or 5 axis machine? If this is a 5 axis machine, then show me ANY
    5 axis mill that can hold .0002. I don't think you can.
    3 axis is what we're talking about here. Yasda's 5axis would have
    no problem w/ .0005. Your beautiful Mikron could'nt even hold
    .002. Lets face it pal that machines in a different league(little).
    If you got something constructive to say, go right ahead, I
    welcome the challenge. It's just a little funny that you do
    nothing but try (I say try) to get under my skin. You will not
    move this rock.
    Again welcome to our forum. Enjoy your stay.



    iceo

    do you have any mikron machines or ever use one
    Yes Iceo,
    Lets here what you have to say? Rather than trying (i say trying)
    to psycho-anaylize anything I say. Do you have anything to
    say about the Mikron, But we are talking.real time machining
    experience. None of this salesmen jargon trying to convince
    someone to buy your machine.
    We all want to hear of your machining experience, day in day out
    with the machine.

    PEACE

    Last edited by hardmill; 07-18-2003 at 10:01 PM.


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