Wiring Drivers & Spindle to Breakout Board for Mach3 conversion

[viroy]

Daz ill give it a try... again.
This was the way it was initially hooked up before reading that article which showed that 10v on the BOB was an input, not an output and that to supply the BOB with 10v, you had to connect the 10v PSU to pins 10v & GND on the BOB.
Im expecting the same results from before... no movement

[viroy]

ok tried it without CM connected to GND... only ACM
No spin

Tried it with CM connected to ACM & DCM... no spin
CM to ACM + FWD = no spin

CM connected to DCM + ACM + GND, FWD on OUT1 = spin but it ramps up and down speeds constantly
CM connected to ACM + GND, FWD jumped to CM = spin but it ramps up and down speeds constantly

F1.3 = 400
F1.2 = 100
Everything is set exactly as in the list from few posts ago

I forgot to try the OUT1 to X1 without using FWD... will try next

[viroy]

ok so connecting OUT1 to X1, FWD disconnected = no spin
Tried this with GND+ACM+GND connected to CM, also tried it with: ACM + DCM to CM... and ACM + GND to CM
Changed F0.0 from 1 to 4... now spins at max speed only (stable speed)... pretty sure X1 was set to max speed before, im not sure how to tell what speeds the X1,X2,X3 inputs are set to... how do i tell this?

Also tested VFI on manual again (F0.0=3)... it doesnt work without FWD jumped to CM.
seems to me this has alot to do with the FWD pin... maybe we are missing something to do with the FWD use?
Daz I believe you were talking about the line modes? I am not familiar with these, but I saw in one mode you were saying FWD can be closed in one of the configs?
Maybe its something like that?

[mactec54]

ok tried it without CM connected to GND... only ACM
No spin

Tried it with CM connected to ACM & DCM... no spin
CM to ACM + FWD = no spin

CM connected to DCM + ACM + GND, FWD on OUT1 = spin but it ramps up and down speeds constantly
CM connected to ACM + GND, FWD jumped to CM = spin but it ramps up and down speeds constantly

F1.3 = 400
F1.2 = 100
Everything is set exactly as in the list from few posts ago

I forgot to try the OUT1 to X1 without using FWD... will try next

Have you tried a separate 10v power supply for the Breakout Board and not use the 10v from the VFD Drive

The Parameters you need to set for X1 and CM to work are F01=1 F02=1

[viroy]

I have not... was thinking about that too.

In the meantime what about F0.2=1101?
That would change from one line mode to two line... is that not what we want?
I do not understand what the 'line modes' do

Also, when setting the front panel with F0.0=3... the display does not show the RPM, what is it showing and how do I figure out how many RPM it equals?

[viroy]

also I noticed theres a major size diff between the DLL & XML files in the article vs the one included in the CD
heres the article:
https://embeddedtronicsblog.wordpres...h3-controller/

Attached are both the drivers from the article and the ones from the article

[dazp1976]

also I noticed theres a major size diff between the DLL & XML files in the article vs the one included in the CD
heres the article:
https://embeddedtronicsblog.wordpres...h3-controller/

Attached are both the drivers from the article and the ones from the article

Says he tested the board using a geckodrive.
His xml will be the setup for that.

If your switches are all working fine and analog is perfectly stable, and axis work, don't change anything to do with the board.
If you need the ACM/GND bridge (or direct CM/GND connection) for the analog to give any voltage then, so be it.

[dazp1976]

I have not... was thinking about that too.

In the meantime what about F0.2=1101?
That would change from one line mode to two line... is that not what we want?
I do not understand what the 'line modes' do

Also, when setting the front panel with F0.0=3... the display does not show the RPM, what is it showing and how do I figure out how many RPM it equals?

Line modes are to do with how the input switches correspond with each other to run the vfd/dir (FWD & X?). As shown on pg21 in the 2 wiring diagrams.

On pg's 13-14:
Fig 4.2 (1) shows how to scroll through the panel to display functioning/perameter information.
Fig 4.3 shows function/perameter options (d-3 =display rpm).

It's just displaying whatever Fig 4.2 is set to.
Changing F0.0 isn't going to change the displayed running status. It has nothing to do with it.
F0.0 Tells the vfd what the operator wants to use to control its speed.

So!. Changing F0.0 to 3. You have just told the vfd you want to use the internal panel potentiometer as the speed control.
Analog now prob won't control its speed.

[mactec54]

I have not... was thinking about that too.

In the meantime what about F0.2=1101?
That would change from one line mode to two line... is that not what we want?
I do not understand what the 'line modes' do

Also, when setting the front panel with F0.0=3... the display does not show the RPM, what is it showing and how do I figure out how many RPM it equals?

Yes, it will be 1001 as that is the format for your drive the number selection is (1)

When you are using remote control, you only should have access to the Stop Button on the KeyPad of the VFD Drive

So, in KeyPad control, can you run your spindle motor up down the speed range of the spindle??

IF you can't run the spindle from the KeyPad then you don't have it setup correct, you need this working from the KeyPad before you try the Remote-control connection.

[viroy]

The panel works just fine.
I just tested F0.0=3 and the panel to control speed works great...
although I dont understand the panel output... what is displayed does not sound like the actual rpm.
Is it showing frequency and not rpm?

What would happen if I changed F0.2=1101 ?

[mactec54]

The panel works just fine.
I just tested F0.0=3 and the panel to control speed works great...
although I dont understand the panel output... what is displayed does not sound like the actual rpm.
Is it showing frequency and not rpm?

What would happen if I changed F0.2=1101 ?

Yes, most can show all the different functions Voltage Amps Frequency and RPM, your VFD only has Voltage Amps and Frequency you move the side arrow key to change the mode on the KeyPad

F0.2=1101 Most likely nothing as it is an incorrect Parameter.

[viroy]

Guess i'll have to give up on getting this VFD controlled by the BOB... I dont see any way of getn it going.
Last step is to use a separate 10v power source, which I'll try sometime soon.

[asuratman]

change out your bob with the one with 0-10v on board ...

[dazp1976]

change out your bob with the one with 0-10v on board ...

I think he needs a USB board, poss has no pc with a Parallel port. Just laptop.

Option1. I'd suggest getting a UC400eth then using the parallel 5axis bob with 0-10v on port1.

Option2. Get a UCSB along with a 400eth. Use that on port1 for axis use. Then use parallel 5axis bob with 0-10v on port2 for vfd and ancillary relay use.

Option3. Get an AXBB-E.

Option4. Get an ESS and2 bobs. 1 for axis, 1 for vfd. (but stuck with Mach products).

Myself I prefer Option2.


I've got a UC300eth version controller set up with both the Mach3 (plugin) and uccnc softwares. Works a charm with both programs.

[asuratman]

hi dazp,
yes, option no 2 or axbbe ... wiring is easy, no need to think of 0-10v ... i did it ...

[mactec54]

change out your bob with the one with 0-10v on board ...

His Breakout Board has 0-10v Analog on Board and is working according to the Op

[mactec54]

I think he needs a USB board, poss has no pc with a Parallel port. Just laptop.

Option1. I'd suggest getting a UC400eth then using the parallel 5axis bob with 0-10v on port1.

Option2. Get a UCSB along with a 400eth. Use that on port1 for axis use. Then use parallel 5axis bob with 0-10v on port2 for vfd and ancillary relay use.

Option3. Get an AXBB-E.

Option4. Get an ESS and2 bobs. 1 for axis, 1 for vfd. (but stuck with Mach products).

Myself I prefer Option2.


I've got a UC300eth version controller set up with both the Mach3 (plugin) and uccnc softwares. Works a charm with both programs.

If he can't get working what he has there is no way, he will get this package working his Breakout Board is all working as normal, it's the VFD connection that seems to be where the problem is, the inputs may be damaged from incorrect voltage being connected to the inputs

Because there are a lot of people that buy this Board he has, I have brought one for testing to see how it really works so when it arrives, I will set it up and see what it will do

[dazp1976]

Because there are a lot of people that buy this Board he has, I have brought one for testing to see how it really works so when it arrives, I will set it up and see what it will do

Good idea. It would help a lot of people to have a pro do the setup, diagrams, and write-ups. You find a lot of these usb's on the Chinese routers.
I haven't got the kit to be able to do things like that. (I'd like to be able to though, and learn more, I have too much spare time).

When it comes to vfd drives people should just get the Hyungyangs (however spelt) with separated ACM/DCM and be done with it.

Those drives with shared commons aren't really great when your control boards have all isolated circuits. You break the isolation and then start doubting things which leads to mistakes.

[viroy]

The BOB is USB powered, which is where it gets its 5v.... but the board does not have 10v output, only 10v input for the VFD AI control
I think I can get a separate 10v PSU going soon... Ill try it again with that.

One thing that does confuse me is the grounds... I was always taught to link every ground from all power sources involved in a circuit, but this BOB has isolated circuits.

[viroy]

Should I be doing anything with the motor tuning settings for spindle?
I assumed this would be overridden by turning on the PWM setting in 'spindle setup'