The Coming Climate Change

[fizzissist]

I like that USSA bit, just goes to show how much fear the Reds under the beds struck in yo' hearts of gold, and they did'n even have to set foot on yo' soil, wow, that's power play for youse, a perfect reciprocal of the invasion and devestate tactic.
Ian.

Australian atrocities at war

.....These began as early as the Boer War (1902), when Harry "Breaker" Morant, Hancock and Witton joined an "irregular regiment", the Bushveldt Carbineers, "that acquired a reputation for taking no prisoners".

All three were charged by court martial for shooting Boer civilians. Morant and Hancock were found guilty and shot by firing squad.

...by 1918: "For all their undoubted valour, the Diggers had gained a reputation for ruthlessness in battle, for shooting prisoners-something of which English soldiers were seldom guilty.

...."Robert Graves was shocked when an Australian boasted to him that the 'greatest lark he'd ever had' was lobbing bombs into a cellar full of surrendered German at Morlancourt."

....in September 1918, Australian artillery fired mustard gas shells at Germany's Hindenberg Line.

...In the war of "race" against Japan in the Pacific, the Battle of the Bismarck Sea stands out. In March 1943, RAAF Beaufighters strafed (machine gunned) Japanese survivors in the water after one Japanese ship sank.

....During the Vietnam War, at the village of Binh Ba, five kilometres from the main Australian base at Nui Dat, a battle raged in June 1969. Australian tanks were "devastating the town while infantry fought house to house and helicopters hosed the plantation with fire", ....
Australian casualties were nine, while more than 100 dead Vietnamese were counted. "A number of them were women and children,

Care to comment on the "Beaufort Episode"?

How about why the Australian gov't won't condemn the genocide of the Tamils?

Care to justify your treatment of the aboriginals? I'm sure you're a regular champion for the ALRM....

Then, there's Ruddock's atrocities....

Care to explain Australian troops in Uruzgan? Iraq? Afghanistan? Vietnam? East Timor? Pakistan? The Balkans?

WHERE DON'T YOU HAVE TROOPS???

[fizzissist]

April 29, 2009

KEVIN Rudd's decision to increase by almost a half Australia's troop commitment to Afghanistan demonstrates his strong commitment to the US alliance and to the political struggle in Afghanistan.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...013460,00.html

Little cognitive disconnect there, wanker?????

You don't know your history, your facts, your science, your politics, you're a hypocrite, and you're an insufferable bore. I'd even go so far as to suggest you might even be an illegitimate son of a mongolian pimp.

[fizzissist]

...It is this fundamental colonial relationship which was so clearly visible in Timor during the Australian occupation. White Australian troops patrolled the streets of Dili, but the inhabitants of Timor were not allowed to send troops to patrol the streets of Canberra, and search white Australians for weapons. Timorese can not vote in Australian elections, or sit in the Australian parliament, or even permanently reside in Australia - but Australian electors took decisions affecting Timor, and will do that again after the re-intervention in 2006. There is an asymmetric exercise of power in such protectorates, and the asymmetry is ethnic....

[handlewanker]

Wow Fizzwizz. three posts in a row without even a break to come up for air, not that anyone cares a rats arrrrrrs, history is history, and as long as it fulfills a need who's to complain, collateral damage is a fact of life, takin' an' holdin' ground comes at a price, been so since the Romans and before that too, so what's it all about, yo'all not gettin' yo' fair share of arse kicking?

I reckon m' daddy woulda had a belly laugh at the notion that he was a brothel manager in mongolia, LOL.

That right the Yanks gonna pull outta Iraq? Din' they ever learn? I mean gettin' inta someone else's cesspit, and coming out covered in glory, LOL, well judging by the 'Nam experience yo'all gonna be covered in "glory" one more time.

I wouldn't mind betting that as soon as the dust settles it will be business as usual, pardon for the short commercial break, one thing's for sure, aint no Yank gonna be going back on holiday to visit the places where it all happened and beg for forgiveness like they did in 'Nam after that episode, the Mussies gotta long memory.

Don't know what invoked yo' phlegmic outburst, but if'n it pleases yo' go right ahead, see if'n it makes a difference, Al Gore will probably be planning to go into print with his new religion about the effects of the Global Cooling, seeing as how a consensus of scientists were shown to be so at odds with the rest of the scientific community that Al realised there is a situation that had to be rectified, for the common good you see.

I would lay money on it that Al will make another fortune with the Inconvenient Realisation series of "truths", told only as an author of the 21st century climate change whistle blowers could do.

It is a fact of life that anyone can tell a white lie, and make a fortune from it, but it would take a whole army of authors to get the lie reversed, that is how gullible the Humanoids are, take Von Danniken for example, didn' that man go overboard with his Alian Nation hypothesis, even to the extent of "discovering evidence" inscribed on Aztec pyramids of previous alian visits.
Ian.

[martinw]

Dear fizzissist,

Faintly off-topic..

Well, who knows where the historical truth may lie when it comes to the dealings between Australia and the British Empire. It will certainly not be from the films of Peter Weir and his angry countrymen. However , Breaker Morant is about the best film ever made IMVVHO.

Best wishes, and apologises for diverting all parties from continuing hostilities,

Martin

[fizzissist]

Dear fizzissist,

Faintly off-topic..

Well, who knows where the historical truth may lie when it comes to the dealings between Australia and the British Empire. It will certainly not be from the films of Peter Weir and his angry countrymen. However , Breaker Morant is about the best film ever made IMVVHO.

Best wishes, and apologises for diverting all parties from continuing hostilities,

Martin

I'm sure that some might notice my disgust with this moron who cannot contain himself from his diaharriac insults against the USA....but am I the ONLY person who notes that his blessed country is riding the coat tails of the U.S.'s forays onto foreign soil.....fully armed?

I won't defend the immoral incursions by the U.S. until some hypocrite wants to immunize his country for the exact same efforts. He curses my country when his soldiers come happily along for the ride?

The country was formed of criminals, and judging by wanker's posts, the heritage hasn't improved.

[handlewanker]

Fizzwizz, old chap yo'all don't know your history, the crims that went to form our glorious "Lucky Country" were sent there to get them out of Pomerania, purely as a form of punishment, and were used as cheap labour to eventually win their freedom and respect back again, which many did.

Yo'all should be glad that there are still some people that are still willing to support your stupidity, what else can you call invading another country supposedly looking for weapons of mass destruction, when yo'all have more than you can ever use in a hundred invasion policies, but that's all been revealed on the world stage.

The rubber band tactics of your strategic war planners make the Hokey Kokey seem like a political manoeuvre, first you get it in then you get it out.

But if you did but realise it, we need the continued exercise that real war zones provide, and it's not politically advisable or expedient for us to make war just to exercise our troops like yo'all do on a regular basis.

Without a rolliking good old rumpus now and again, the machinery in the armoury would get rusty LOL. The Afghans been doing this for maybe thousands of years, part of their culture.

BTW, the Brits do this in Northern Ireland too, keeps the troops bowels active real time.

I think the world's getting wise to your acts of "liberation", so now yo'all are in debt, who's gonna bale you out?

Better concentrate on the real war, that is the war on want and enviro impact issues, actualy being waged on your own doorstep right now, and after that the Global Warming/Global Cooling/Global Enviromental change, 'cos that's what's going to cost you if'n you don't make it work.

BTW again, I hear now that the Mexicans are making their country more economically viable, there's going to be a massive exodus of all those "illegals" yo'all been exploiting as cheap labour.

Does this mean that those fences on the border are to keep "illegals" in? WOW, that is really sneaky. LOL.
Ian.

[fizzissist]

Invasion? You mean the one that Australia accompanied us on? YOU bought into it too, you stupid sot.

Name me a country that Australia didn't go with us into? Can you? (I can...but YOU can't) You're nothing more than a old, worn out, frustrated fart of a man who's desparately trying to shift his own failures onto someone else. To date, there isn't a single thing you've pointed a finger at the USA for that Australia isn't guilty of. NOT ONE.

Mexicans? They're flocking to the USA for a better life. Climbing over and under fences, hiding in trucks, risking their lives to get into this country. Why? Because they can't seem to operate their own country, a country rich with natural resources and a horde of tireless and valuable workers (at least that's what THEY claim). You make the claim that Mexico is becoming more economically viable? Give us some proof of that. Not some beer-saturated blather, but some facts. With citations. I know that's not your style, but if you can't do it now, just once, on such a simple claim, then it proves my claims that you've got no clue.

But that's a silly claim on my part, since you've NEVER done it before....even on the topic of climate change, much less global warming. You're a mouth breathing headline reader. That's all you've ever been, and all you'll ever be.

[dufas]

Lucky, I suppose, that the "administration" only lasts for four or five years, then yo'all will be free to exercise your prerogative and change the face at the window, problem is the face changes, but the policy lingers on.

Ian.

Actually, there is subtle talk of extending Obama's reign. The left in this USSA is laying the ground work to allow Obama to run for President beyond the two term limit. Knowing that the left thinks a lot like Handywanker, this will probably become a reality. The presidency would become a premiership.

6 months into a presidency and these tunnel visioned, limited thinking leftist boobs are all ready to sign their lives away and become serfs......

[dufas]

...It is this fundamental colonial relationship which was so clearly visible in Timor during the Australian occupation. White Australian troops patrolled the streets of Dili, but the inhabitants of Timor were not allowed to send troops to patrol the streets of Canberra, and search white Australians for weapons. Timorese can not vote in Australian elections, or sit in the Australian parliament, or even permanently reside in Australia - but Australian electors took decisions affecting Timor, and will do that again after the re-intervention in 2006. There is an asymmetric exercise of power in such protectorates, and the asymmetry is ethnic....

fizzissist, you could have added much more detail....Handlewanker doesn't know his own history much less any others... His diatribes against the US is no different than his adopted country has done in it's past. He is like most that seek infantile validation by putting others down. He cannot look at himself and have any pride in what he sees, so he attempts to bring others down to his level..... It was the same Europeans that settled America that also settled eventually in Australia. Plus, according to Handlewanker's timeline, he was in Australia when much of the continuing strife was going on as well as being in Africa during their racial problems...... Handlewanker must have planned his moves carefully....

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Indigenous Australians are the first human inhabitants of the Australian continent and its nearby islands.

A wave of massacres and resistance followed the frontier of European settlement. In 1838, twenty-eight Indigenous people were killed at the Myall Creek massacre. The Kalkadoon of Queensland resisted the settlers, and there was a massacre of over 200 people on their land at Battle Mountain in 1884. There was a massacre at Coniston in the Northern Territory in 1928. Poisoning of food and water had been recorded as early as the 1840s.

The removal of children, which the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission argue constituted attempted genocide, had a major impact on the Indigenous population..

Indigenous Australians were given the right to vote in Commonwealth elections in Australia in November 1962, and in Western Australian state elections in the same year. Aboriginals in Queensland were given the vote in state elections in 1965.

The first settlers are thought to have arrived around 50,000 years ago. This would have most likely been at a time when the sea levels were low, the land was more humid and animals larger.

Although much of Australia became populated, the central dry areas didn't attract settlers until around 25,000 years ago. The population grew proportionately quicker around 10,000 years ago as the climate improved.


At the time of British settlement at Sydney Cove it is estimated that 300,000 aboriginal people, speaking around 250 languages inhabited Australia.

On arrival, finding no obvious political structure, the Europeans took the land as their own. The Indigenous people were driven out of their homes and many killed. Various new European diseases spread rapidly amongst the indigenous people, killing many. The introduction of feral and domestic animals contributed to the destruction of natural habitats.

Fighting wiped out the Aboriginal population in Tasmania and greatly reduced the numbers in the rest of Australia.

During the early part of the 20th century legislation's were passed to segregate and protect Aboriginals. This involved restrictions on where they could live and work and families being broken up.

After World War II, assimilation became the governments aim. All rights were taken away from the Aboriginals and attempts made to 'Europeanise' them.

During the 1960's the legislation was reviewed and the Federal Government passed legislation for all Aboriginals to be given citizen status. However, it wasn't until 1972 that the indigenous people were given back limited rights to their own land. The situation has been steadily improving for Australia's Indigenous people, although many feel more needs to be done.

17th CENTURY
1606
The first European sightings of Australia were made by a Dutchman called Willem Janszoon on the Duyfken (Little Dove). Janszoon sailed into the Australian waters charting 300 km of the coast on the journey. Janszoon also met with the Aboriginal people on the journey. Janszoon was the first recorded European to achieve such feats. Later that year Louis Vaez de Torres sailed through the Torres Strait, named after himself. Both Captains have been recorded as having sighted the Cape York Peninsula.

1642
Dutch explorer, Abel Tasman's, first journey to Australia. It was in 1644 that Abel Tasman established that Australia was made up of four coasts North, West, East and South. The Australian state of Tasmania was named after this famous explorer.

18th CENTURY
1770
Captain Cook lands in Botany Bay on the Eastern side of Australia in the ship named HM Bark Endeavour. and claims New South Wales for Britain.

1788
The First Fleet arrives at Sydney Cove under Captain Arthur Phillip to establish the first settlement in Australia. This was to be a penal colony - Sydney was founded. The date of his arrival, 26 January, went on to mark Australia Day.

19th CENTURY
1801 - 1899
The great age of exploration: coastal surveys (Bass, Flinders), interior (Sturt, Eyre, Leichhardt, Burke and Willis, McDouall Stuart, Forrest). Also the era of the bushrangers, overlanders, and squatters, and individuals such as William Buckley and Ned Kelly.

1803
Mathew Flinders completes the first voyage around Australia in the 'Investigator'.

1804
Castle Hill Rising by Irish convicts in New South Wales.

1813
Barrier of the Blue Mountains Crossed.

1825
Tasmania seceded from New South Wales.

1829
Western Australia formed.

1836
South Australia formed.

1840 - 1868
Convict transportation began and ended.

1851 - 1861
Gold rushes (Ballarat, Bendigo).

1851
Victoria seceded from New South Wales.

1855
Victoria achieved government.

1856
New South Wales, South Australia, Tasmania achieved government.

1859
Queensland formed from New South Wales and achieved government.

1890
Western Australia achieved government.

1891
Depression gave rise to the Australian Labor Party.

1899 - 1900
South African War - forces offered by the individual colonies.

20th CENTURY
1901
Creation of the Commonwealth of Australia. This was a federation of the States of New South Wales, Victoria, Tasmania, Queensland, Western Australia and South Australia.

1911
Site for capital at Canberra acquired.

1914 - 1918
World War I - Anzac troops in Europe including Gallipoli. Australia experiences her first major losses in a war during in 1915 on the Gallipoli peninsula in Turkey.

1939 - 1945
World War II - Anzac troops in Greece, Crete, and N Africa (El Alamein) and the Pacific. The Japanese bomb Darwin in 1942.

1941
Curtin's appeal to USA for help in the World War marked the end of the special relationship with Britain.

1944
Liberal party founded by Menzies.

1948 - 1975
Two million new immigrants, the majority from continental Europe

1950 - 1953
Korean War - Australian troops part of the United Nations forces.

1964 - 1972
Vietnam War - Comonwealth troops in alliance with US forces.

1966 - 1974
Mineral boom typified by the Posiedon nickel mine.

1967
The ASEAN was established

1973
Britain entered the Common Market, and in the 1970's Japan became Australia's chief trading partner.

1974
Whitlam abolishes 'white Australia' policy.

1975
Constitutional crisis; Prime Minister Whitlam dismissed by the governor general.

1975
United Nations trust territory of Papua New Guinea became independent.

1975
The Liberal Party under Malcolm Fraser comes to power.

1978
Northern Territory achieved self-government.

1979
Opening of uranium mines in Northern Territory.

1983
Hawke convened first national economic summit - The Fraser Government is defeated in the election and the Australian Labour Party under Bob Hawke forms a government.

1988
Australia celebrates its Bicentennial - 200 years since the first European settlement.

1991
Paul Keating replaced Bob Hawke as Labour Party leader and Prime Minister.

1994
The ASEAN Regional Forum (ARF) was established

1996
Labour Party ousted in general election by Liberal-National Coalition.

1996
John Howard replaced Paul Keating as Prime Minister.

21st CENTURY

2000
Australia hosts the 2000 Olympic Games.

2001
Australia celebrates the Centenary of the Federation of Australia.

2007
Liberal-National Coalition lost in the general election to the Australian Labor Party (ALP).

2007
Kevin Rudd replaced John Howard as Prime Minister.


On 13 February 2008, Prime Minister Kevin Rudd formally apologized to the Aborigines of the stolen generation.

[handlewanker]

Strewth Fizzwizz, but you're a hard nut to crack, but still a nut LOL.

I don't know why yo' getting yo' knickers in such a twist, history is history, or so the Romans are credited in making, and if'n a few eggs get cracked along the way, that's life yo' can't make a decent omelette without cracking a few nuts, I mean eggs.

Yo' damm right about not providing reading material about climate cooling/heating whatever, it's all been said by people much more affluent and influent than either you or I, so I don't, can't, and won't dig out someone else's work and wave it around as if it was something that I have just researched and had peer reviewed, I leave that to the more pseudo scientists that like to get up on soap boxes and wave their arms about to attract attention, but be my guest, ain't nobody gonna stop yo' waving yo' arms about man, it's a free world, or so yo' say.

Meanwhile back at the ranch, thank you Dufa for the most enthralling history lesson about the Lucky Country, just goes to show you, if'n you play yo' cards right you too can win win all the way to the bank....LOL.

Whilst the Global Cooling is now the latest buzzword that the cognoscenti are raving about, it is without doubt the immediate problem of drought that is affecting us in the Lucky Country.

Global Warming/Cooling will come and go, once the enviro nuts come to terms with the fact that it costs money to make the changes, and as they aren't going to fund them who cares?

I just saw a photo on the TV about some special day that America is celebrating right now, and in it there is the Statue of liberty so deeply swathed in a smog like haze.......am I seeing things....the land of the free so badly smogged up.....wow, no wonder they are begging the Chinese to cut back on the coal burning thingies....the smoke must be blowing in yo' front door and mixing with all those barbecue fumes and automobile gunk that yo' vast population of gas guzzling buggy drivers is producing......we don't get that problem down in the Lucky Country......wonder why?

I believe Al Gore has got a draft copy on hand about the Global Cooling, but he aint leaking it to no one yet, not untill he gets his "facts" right, LOL.

Hey Al, Mr Gore sir, how's about a liddle snifter of a preview about yo' new book or film or video, whatever?
Ian.

[maz43]

Global Warming/Cooling will come and go, once the enviro nuts come to terms with the fact that it costs money to make the changes, and as they aren't going to fund them who cares?

I care. The funding will come out of my pocket in the form of energy taxes and rationing. This could also happen in "lucky country" as well.

[handlewanker]

It depends on whom you cast your vote, if you do vote, and if Ol' Bama gets in again it goes to show people are either not caring who steers the ship or if'n the ship is being steered at all, on the other hand he might just be doing the right thing, who knows.

When WW2 ended for Germany, Eisenhower said," Maybe next time they'll be a bit more careful for whom they vote"

Down in the Lucky Country it is compulsory to cast your vote, and if'n yo' don't yo' get fined, that's getting the consensus of opinions real time, every time, big time, all the time.

Of course there are some people around the world that aren't allowed to vote, but in the Lucky Country everyone has the freedom to cast their vote for whatever idiosyncratic reason and in which ever manner they choose, jus as long as they cast it.

If the enviro nuts get the major vote, it's because the majority want it so, until then we'all fire our BBQ's and export coal to China, and also burn the coal to make electricity as the party in power sees fit.

The Humanoids will just have to draw the line in the sand and decide which side they want to be on.

Nothing like being free instead of just paying lip service to a bit of rag that couldn't give a rat's arse anyway.
Ian.

[maz43]

Down in the Lucky Country it is compulsory to cast your vote, and if'n yo' don't yo' get fined

Now that's freedom.
Many here don't care and are apathetic towards politics.
An apathetic under informed majority has led to our current dilemma.

[fizzissist]

Yo' damm right about not providing reading material about climate cooling/heating whatever, it's all been said by people much more affluent and influent than either you or I, so I don't, can't, and won't dig out someone else's work and wave it around as if it was something that I have just researched and had peer reviewed, I leave that to the more pseudo scientists that like to get up on soap boxes and wave their arms about to attract attention, but be my guest, ain't nobody gonna stop yo' waving yo' arms about man, it's a free world, or so yo' say.

Ian.

Unlike you, I do actually work in science, with real scientists, not YOUR oft-referred pseudo-scientists. I work with climate scientists. Scientists with genuine peer-reviewed journal-published papers. I know what I'm talking about, YOU DON'T.

The reason you CAN'T dig up someone else's work???? You can't.

[skippy]

"An apathetic under informed majority has led to our current dilemma." By "current dilema" I assume you are talking about how Bush took a far-better-than-average performing country and in just 2 election terms managed to completely bankrupt the place plus line the pockets of his buddies' companies while the resto of you get to suffer and pay for it? Amazes me that he hasn't been strung up.

[mongo46538]

Yawn .....

[One of Many]

"An apathetic under informed majority has led to our current dilemma." By "current dilema" I assume you are talking about how Bush took a far-better-than-average performing country and in just 2 election terms managed to completely bankrupt the place plus line the pockets of his buddies' companies while the resto of you get to suffer and pay for it? Amazes me that he hasn't been strung up.

Skippy,

Look at the big picture as to deficit spending. No, the Bush era didn't help, but the direct responsibility is congressional policy that controls the money coming in and going out. The President just OK's their direction. Most of the current dilemma was created and building out of control long ago in the private sector and very little of it was secured by the government. It was congresses buddies that got the Bush bailout they were protecting. That trend has continued with far to many undisclosed benefactors. What Obama inherited, he and is cronies help create in partisan divides blocking regulation and his voting record shows those facts too. As we see now, A crisis is too good to waste, so all media attention to the agenda is driven and sensationalized by crisis propaganda fervor.

Deficits timeline

I'd like to hang them all! LOL!

DC

[mongo46538]

"An apathetic under informed majority has led to our current dilemma." By "current dilema" I assume you are talking about how Bush took a far-better-than-average performing country and in just 2 election terms managed to completely bankrupt the place plus line the pockets of his buddies' companies while the resto of you get to suffer and pay for it? Amazes me that he hasn't been strung up.

Cheney was the one who had the secret closed door session meeting with all the Oil Magnates and CEO's of Oil Companies not long after he was sworn into office. Bush was just "The Decider".

Essentially, as long as public opinion starts leaning towards "green" solutions then politicians will begin to work that way. Whatever it takes to stay in office. Americans just need to figure out what really is best for our country's future and vote people out of office who don't see it the same way.

Dependance on Foriegn Oil is one thing we can all agree on as less than desireable.

[skippy]

Thanks One Of Many for your helpful (as usual) post to put things into perspective for me. Assuming the article is reasonably truthful and not too biased then the last line says it all: "Overall, President Obama’s budget would add twice as much debt as President Bush over the same number of years." That being the case, looks like I was ill-informed (plain wrong).
Certainly I can understand your statement "I'd like to hang them all!"