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    Default Re: Arduino GRBL VS LinuxCNC

    Quote Originally Posted by CNCfun&games View Post
    Wizard,109jb,gharley, On the subject of GRBL, have you seen? GrblGru: Free CAM and 3D-Simulation for mills and lathes
    I'm not one of those guys, but I have seen and attempted to use the program. While it clearly is admirable that the developer just keeps pounding away at adding interesting features, I can not find joy in the GUI ergonomics (layout). The massive use of color gives me shivers and thoughts back to the fast paced insertion of buttons and bells as they were being added to Mach3 with all the look and feel of those thick Crayola crayons we let kindergärtner’s experience early life with. That alone makes me less interested in spending the time to bother to understand it, or seek to find whether there exists a flow of operations or not.

    Dont allow me to sway someone from using it, because if everything claimed about it is true, it seems to have a lot of potential features.

    Some of my opinion surrounds thoughts on what I need to get a job done verses having too much fluff. I believe most GRBL interfaces have attempted to keep the underlying world up front and center when frankly, users only care if they are required to troubleshoot.

    Again, for my GRBL experiences, I have pretty much settled on the smooth, clear ergonomics of CANDLE (https://github.com/Denvi/Candle). For me, a control can be just the control and not be an illustration of the machine itself. I'm capable of visualizing a tool path by itself in a dialog box.

    Sadly, it appears no longer worked on. Shame because it would not take much to really be a perfect interface because less is really more, and simple ergonomics will always win my vote.

    But congrats to the GRBLGru developer because he is active in the forums and always adding new features and functions. I just don't have time to figure it out.

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    Chris L,

    Thanks for your Input, it was very informative!!

    The only reason I did not include you was you had not posted on Page 4.

    W (Ted) Smith



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    I tend to agree grblgru looks like it has potential but the UI is currently too noisy and hard to follow. One obvious change I'd like to see would be, instead of having several different sized drills and end-mills, just have one of each and let the size be specified in the properties. Another thought, since the app is free anyway why not make it open source so the community can work on it.

    I am also using Candle, which I like a lot and CamBam (CamBam CNC Software) which is not free but the trial usage is very generous and one might decide it's worth $150 after using it awhile. True that Candle hasn't seen much love lately but it *is* open source so a motivate developer could pick up the ball.



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    I tend to like simple intuitive interfaces, so although I downloaded GrbGru, I pretty much didn't like it right away. I really find no use for the graphical representation of the machine itself and when trying to get a feel for it I couldn't figure out how to adjust things like jog speeds immediately. It probably works fine if you take the time to learn it, but I didn't. My background in CNC goes back to the 1980's when I was running VMC's about 50-60 hours per week. The machines back then had simple text based interfaces, and no graphics whatsoever. You had to do it that way back then because there were no other options. When I first started the machines still used reel to reel paper tape to load g-code programs. Since I was accustomed to that degree of antiquity, I don't really care about lots of bells and whistles. Just a basic interface works for me. I started the Grbl road using UGS and Candle, but since Grbl doesn't support canned cycles, I wound up writing my own interface to include canned cycles. Bottom line, GrblGru may be fine, but it wasn't my cup of tea, so I don't have any real experience with it to pass any kind of judgement.



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    I just heard about that one in this post so obviously cant comment. Also recently had a stolen laptop so that has be way behind.

    In any event in my simple mind your CAM solution should not be your GCode sending solution.

    However there is a fine line here, id love to see more conversational programming capabilities in a machine interface program. The ability to completely skip the CAD / CAM duo to solve common one off machining problems would be very nice if it avoids a bunch of hand written code. Solutions that allow you to center the spindke over a point and pocket a hole or surface an area quickly would be very usable.

    Quote Originally Posted by CNCfun&games View Post
    Wizard,109jb,gharley,

    On the subject of GRBL, have you seen?

    GrblGru: Free CAM and 3D-Simulation for mills and lathes

    htttp://www.cnczone.com/forums/uncategorized-cam-discussion/311876-cnc-forum.html

    It looked interesting to me! but have not seen mention of GrblGru in any of your posts.

    comments appreciated!

    W. (Ted) Smith




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    >> In any event in my simple mind your CAM solution should not be your GCode sending solution.

    I agree with this statement to a point, especially in that at least the main or home portion of the interface should be exactly the machine control. The place to initiate the machine, the place to home and set the machine DRO, the place to Jog and set program zero, and the place to load and cycle start or feed hold jobs.

    The world of integrated tool path creation can easily rely on secondary tabs as well as other things we often need to change when it comes to the control settings for a particular machine set up.

    >>However there is a fine line here, id love to see more conversational programming capabilities in a machine interface program.

    I feel that most of the controls we talk about here already have addressed the conversational dialogs in their programs, but if anything, did not perhaps carry it far enough or continue with adding more fruits and veggies.

    When you speak of a "Fine Line" though, I think Flashcut has figured out combining the control world with quick tool path creation in their newest Plasma versions especially that deal with pipe cutting and joints. I believe when it comes to melting the worlds of Cad and Cam into a Machine Control, no one seems to have done what they have done. If you have the time, seek out some of the HVAC / Tubing videos on youtube. I was really surprised at the capabilities and time savings for those in those markets.

    It would appear that grblgru is headed in somewhat a similar direction, with the developer creating shortcuts for things he needs to accomplish. I've only noticed that those type of things might not be mainstream or traditional. The real stumbling block however was that a user can not immediately see the path to take without a lot of study. Really good interfaces tend to automatically drive the user in directions he needs to go without them even knowing.

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    For Arduino grbl you can get fusion 360 for free and that is for cad and cam then use universal g code sender to send it to the machine. That method works great for me.


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    How do you get Fusion 360 for free? Are you a student?



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    It's free for everybody, unless you are a business making more than $100,000/year.

    After the trial period expires, you'll be given the option to sign up for a hobbyist license.

    Gerry

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    Default Re: Arduino GRBL VS LinuxCNC

    Quote Originally Posted by ger21 View Post
    It's free for everybody, unless you are a business making more than $100,000/year.

    After the trial period expires, you'll be given the option to sign up for a hobbyist license.
    Cool, thanks!



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