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    Default Which motion control / software for a combo machine?

    Hello

    I've got this machine I want to build but silly me, i'm a complete beginner Please be kind.

    I'd like to setup a 4th axis on an encoded servo to be used as both a lathe and milling 4th axis. A kind of a miniature mill-turn. Workable area not so big. I've got some parts already. I can give you an idea of the machine size with the following pic but I don't have any cad dwg or anything. Planning on machining metals. I won't go into too much detail about the machine if it's not needed. My question is more about the motion control / software.

    Since I'm a beginner Acorn has caught my attention as it seems like it might be the easiest to setup and learn. I'm just not sure how I would go about the 2 spindles (lathe-mill).

    Linux and uccnc seem like the other preferable options. I get the feeling they might have more flexibility down the track but I would be going through a lot more head scratching to get there.

    I'm not a pc guru or anything, I just currently have a manual lathe and like the idea producing some parts through automation.

    Any help or ideas appreciated


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    Default Re: Which motion control / software for a combo machine?

    I was snooping around the centroid forum and found this quote by cnckeith

    "right now, 0-10 vdc and 0-5 vdc analog out is the only way to control a spindle motor with Acorn.[/FONT]

    we are adding PWM out and the ability to use an axis output (step and direction) to Acorn CNC12 software which will be backward compatible with all Acorn hardware!. so yes with a future software update you will be able to use PWM or step and direction to command a spindle motor in addition to 0-10 vdc analog out...."

    http://centroidcncforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=3310

    So it looks as though acorn will easily be compatible for what I want (in the near future).

    For the uccnc controller I think i would need to hook up the 4th axis to the spindle drive and have the mill spindle on a relay. In which case i would need to manually set the spindle speed? No idea if the software can work with that.

    I really don't know much about linuxcnc but my guess is it can do it, probably better than uccnc.

    EDIT- sorry don't know what happened to the font here



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    Default Re: Which motion control / software for a combo machine?

    UCCNC supports both options, it has PWM spindle and step/dir spindle control modes. It also has PWM and analog output on some motion controllers. It also supports closed loop PID control of the spindle using encoder feedback.



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    Default Re: Which motion control / software for a combo machine?

    That's good news. Thanks OlfCNC. I'm warming to uccnc. It also has 6 asxis control so one day I could add something like a tool turret.



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    Default Re: Which motion control / software for a combo machine?

    forum.cncdrive.com • View topic - Put my name on the list for lathe users

    It looks like uccnc can do what I want but doesn't have lathe mode / screenshot so it might not be as intuitive as something like acorn.

    What about masso ? More $$ but I'd expect more flexibility , ease of use for that extra money.

    Ease of use is kind of a high priority since I'm a beginner. I get the impression Linux is not for people who don't know code / programming.



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    Default Re: Which motion control / software for a combo machine?

    You might want to spend some time on Masso's forum before you buy one.

    Gerry

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    Default Re: Which motion control / software for a combo machine?

    Thanks Gerry. From what I could gather masso has only a very small fanbase because it didn't perform to most people's expectation.

    One thing I did find that was educational though -
    Quote Originally Posted by ger21 View Post
    Nobody is hating on Centroid.
    People just have different preferences or requirements.

    If there was one perfect control, then everyone would use it. But there's not, so people use what they like best, or what best suits their needs.

    I should've known this would be like asking how long is a piece of string



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    Default Re: Which motion control / software for a combo machine?

    I think I've narrowed it down to centroid. Uccnc probably has more flexibility but I think centroid is more suited to me as a beginner. I've been trying to read lots the last few days. Here's some conversations I read today that swayed my final decision -

    https://forum.vectric.com/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=32153

    https://www.forum.cncdrive.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=983






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    Default Re: Which motion control / software for a combo machine?

    Quote Originally Posted by pinkpanda3310 View Post
    I think I've narrowed it down to centroid. Uccnc probably has more flexibility but I think centroid is more suited to me as a beginner. I've been trying to read lots the last few days. Here's some conversations I read today that swayed my final decision -

    https://forum.vectric.com/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=32153

    https://www.forum.cncdrive.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=983

    Don't forget that Centroid workers and contractors posting in those forum threads. Islaw (Gary Campbell) who is a contractor of Centroid and always talking BS about UCCNC, likely because he wants to sell his Centroid control boxes he build and posted a few videos here about it.

    Also do not forget that UCCNC already supports 4th rotary axis, that forum thread is from January when it was not available, now it is already.



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    Default Re: Which motion control / software for a combo machine?

    Doh! Are you trying to make it harder for me to decide

    Gary did down play uccnc but he also gave props to Wincnc. Obviously I don't know of any affiliations between members and companies. I'll try keep that in mind when reading / posting.

    Which kinda leads me to this question and I mean it in the politest possible way - Are you or Ger21 affiliated? ( I'm only asking because you both replied in this thread )

    At the end of the day any business affiliations with either or any member will have some infuence, i can't deny that, but i'm honestly trying to look into what suits my situation. Being a typical noob in any scenario I want "all the flexibilty AND ease of use WITHOUT all the headaches it takes for the average person" It's a bit unrealistic right? but I have to start somewhere. Acorn seems to be directed at people like me. I'm not discrediting uccnc, I guess i'm saying it's more the way these things are marketed (hence i can be infuenced).

    My end goal is 4th axis milling of titanium. Hopefully I can build the machine rigid enough to do that. If it can double as a lathe (and even as a router) then all the better but since I have a manual lathe that is less important.

    The problem I'm finding in my research is 4th axis work is 'a nice add-on feature' but not the primary objective of most people. I'll see if I can find more info on uccnc 4th axis stuff.

    Thanks for your reply. It's inspired me to double check.



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    Default Re: Which motion control / software for a combo machine?

    I'm a user and I just hate to see that these people talking BS all day long.
    it is just the marketing what you read in forums.
    UCCNC can do 4th axis just fine:



    Tell me in what aspect is the acorn more suitable for a beginner in your opinion?



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    Default Re: Which motion control / software for a combo machine?

    Only one video is allowed in one post so here is the second video I wanted to show:





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