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    Hi there,

    Sorry if this has been done before but trawling through all these threads is a nightmare and I never know what to search.

    I am taking on the task of building a CNC router (2' x 2' 3-axis, with the intention of expanding to 8' x 4' and 4 axes once I've worked out the basics) and seem to have hit a bit of an end-pass.

    With there being so many motion controllers out there its so hard to find one that fits the criteria I'm looking for. Has anyone had any good experience with a mach 3 (and preferably mach 4 too) compatible motion control boards available in the UK?

    Don't want to have to buy another board with expansion so must be able to control 4 axes and limit switches. Ethernet or USB controlled, none of that parallel port rubbish.

    Thanks.



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    Quote Originally Posted by hk344 View Post
    Hi there,

    Sorry if this has been done before but trawling through all these threads is a nightmare and I never know what to search.

    I am taking on the task of building a CNC router (2' x 2' 3-axis, with the intention of expanding to 8' x 4' and 4 axes once I've worked out the basics) and seem to have hit a bit of an end-pass.

    With there being so many motion controllers out there its so hard to find one that fits the criteria I'm looking for. Has anyone had any good experience with a mach 3 (and preferably mach 4 too) compatible motion control boards available in the UK?

    Don't want to have to buy another board with expansion so must be able to control 4 axes and limit switches. Ethernet or USB controlled, none of that parallel port rubbish.

    Thanks.
    You can get a UC100 (USB) or UC300ETH (ethernet) or UC400ETH (ethernet). All are compatible with Mach3/4 and with UCCNC.
    In the UK:
    CNC Cutting Machines - Stoney | CNC Router Systems
    and
    https://cnc4you.co.uk/



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    Quote Originally Posted by OlfCNC View Post
    You can get a UC100 (USB) or UC300ETH (ethernet) or UC400ETH (ethernet). All are compatible with Mach3/4 and with UCCNC.
    In the UK:
    CNC Cutting Machines - Stoney | CNC Router Systems
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    https://cnc4you.co.uk/
    Thanks a lot!

    I've been doing a bit of research on these. Seems you need a breakout-board also? Is there any way of doing it without the BOB? If not which would you suggest?

    Would the CP0-10V (https://www.cnc4you.co.uk/Breakout-B...th-Charge-Pump)be suitable for my purposes?



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    Have you looked at the Arduino based solutions?Come to that,have you thought about LinuxCNC and a Mesa board connected by ethernet? Looking around this site it seems that Mach 3 is getting a bit ancient and Mach 4 doesn't have as many proponents as you might expect.



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    Quote Originally Posted by routalot View Post
    Have you looked at the Arduino based solutions?
    I have considered using an arduino, but ruled them out on the basis that its limited to 3 axes

    Quote Originally Posted by routalot View Post
    have you thought about LinuxCNC and a Mesa board connected by ethernet?
    Having done a bit more research, maybe you're right, Mach might not be the right way to go, but what are the benefits of using LinuxCNC over UCCNC?



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    Quote Originally Posted by hk344 View Post
    Thanks a lot!

    I've been doing a bit of research on these. Seems you need a breakout-board also? Is there any way of doing it without the BOB? If not which would you suggest?

    Would the CP0-10V (https://www.cnc4you.co.uk/Breakout-B...th-Charge-Pump)be suitable for my purposes?
    Some chinese boards are motion controllers and BOBs all in one but I think you don't want problems so better use something that works like the ones I have mentioned and use a BOB.
    That BOB you linked looks OK.
    You can move to UCCNC software with those motion controllers any time you want if you got enough from Mach.



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    Hi,
    I strongly support OlfCNC's comment regarding Chinese controllers....they are junk....DON'T GO THERE.

    The UC300 by CNCDrive is a good recommendation, Ethernet connected, with Mach3 and Mach4 plugins and native to UCCNC software as well.
    You do require a breakout board, the UB1 from CNCRoom is a very good example. There are cheaper solutions but would probably require you make a few
    simple additional circuits. If you are kool with electronics you can save a few dollars by buying cheaper than the UB1.

    Another brand that works well with Mach3 and Mach4 is the Ethernet SmoothStepper (ESS) by Warp9 TD. Also requires a breakout board. CNCRoom make a good example
    a MB2. There again there are cheaper alternatives if you have some facility with electronics.

    The Hicon Integra by Vital Systems is a very capable controller with both Mach3 and Mach4 plugins. The controller can be activated (at a cost) and/or fitted with add-on boards
    to allow control of analogue servos for instance. A very capable board. It does not require a breakout board, it has industry standard 24V inputs/outputs. The basic Hicon
    Integra is $600 USD.

    Craig



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    I almost forget that you can use the UC300ETH-UB1 which requires no breakout board: https://www.cncroom.com/interface-cards/uc300eth-ub1
    It has industrial I/Os.

    And if BOB, you can use the UCBB with 24V I/Os: CNCdrive - motion controls
    I got one of these recently and it is simple to wire and works great.



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    Default Re: CNC Motion Control Board

    but what are the benefits of using LinuxCNC over UCCNC?
    It's free?

    Gerry

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    Default Re: CNC Motion Control Board

    Nothing is free in this world.
    You need a card like the Mesa (OP said he does not want LPT ports) plus you need to set it up on Linux which is not easy, at least not for me and time is money.



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    I have only set up two machines,the first was an AXYZ router and I had their manual available.It was a case of inserting values in the correct places in the toolpath program on an XP system.Nothing too daunting really.Then when I had my own tiny and basic machine together I had to do something very similar with LinuxCNC. Other than running the test for latency,it was a very similar process and took about the same amount of time.I am using a parallel port until the computer dies and I won't be upset if it lasts a long time and then I expect I will move to a Mesa card.I also believe that LinuxCNC can control up to nine axes,which ought to be enough for just about anything.

    I have become more and more enthusiastic about open source software and remain dubious about cloud based solutions that are tied to proprietary software.The reasons are first of all I remember the Photobucket fiasco and regard it as a useful lesson on what can happen with a dependency on one company.Secondly, any software that has a large base of enthusiastic developers is better able to continue with development should one or two fall by the wayside.There are also advantages with having a forum that has contributors all over the globe and able to consider any problem at all hours rather than waiting for a company to reach normal business hours in one time zone-quite possibly a different zone to the one where the seeker of information is situated.A state of affairs that also describes this forum,does it not?



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    Quote Originally Posted by routalot View Post
    I have only set up two machines,the first was an AXYZ router and I had their manual available.It was a case of inserting values in the correct places in the toolpath program on an XP system.Nothing too daunting really.Then when I had my own tiny and basic machine together I had to do something very similar with LinuxCNC. Other than running the test for latency,it was a very similar process and took about the same amount of time.I am using a parallel port until the computer dies and I won't be upset if it lasts a long time and then I expect I will move to a Mesa card.I also believe that LinuxCNC can control up to nine axes,which ought to be enough for just about anything.

    I have become more and more enthusiastic about open source software and remain dubious about cloud based solutions that are tied to proprietary software.The reasons are first of all I remember the Photobucket fiasco and regard it as a useful lesson on what can happen with a dependency on one company.Secondly, any software that has a large base of enthusiastic developers is better able to continue with development should one or two fall by the wayside.There are also advantages with having a forum that has contributors all over the globe and able to consider any problem at all hours rather than waiting for a company to reach normal business hours in one time zone-quite possibly a different zone to the one where the seeker of information is situated.A state of affairs that also describes this forum,does it not?
    I'm not a fan of open source in most cases because however there are contributors you can only hope to get answers and help.
    UCCNC has a supportive and responsive company behind plus it has it's forum with helpful users and admins.
    But probably it's just me about open-source.



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