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    Default Windows 7 Laptop on an old Network

    Hello all,

    Having trouble figuring out HOW (if even possible) to get my newER Laptop to connect to my older network.

    I have two CNC mills running windows 95( i think. I don't usually need to look at that)
    There is an old workstation running windows 2000

    all three of those are wired and plugged into a network switch box (Linksys 5 port switch box)

    I also have another ethernet cable running over to a desk with two laptops on it.
    I have an old laptop there that has windows XP and is has a shared folder that I can drop the NC file into generated by MasterCam, then I walk to one of the CNC machines and load the file into the mill.
    I have a newER laptop that is running windows 7. I NEED to get it connected to the network so I can eliminate the OLD laptop that is falling apart....


    Ultimately, I'd like to get rid of all the MIDDLE COMPUTERS(workstation and the old laptop)

    I LIKE to be able to just use the laptop and the two mills connected by the Linksys network switch box.

    ANY help is MUCH appreciated !!!!!! THANKS ahead of time.....


    Thanks,
    Ron - "MrRogue"
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    Default Re: Windows 7 Laptop on an old Network

    It will work , if you can see all the older pc's in the network already but the 7 machine cant ?
    Try rebooting some or all the pc's after there all connected.

    If win7 still isnt showing up or cant see other pc's:
    Check win7 to see if network sharing and discovery is on.
    May need another reboot if it still cant see any pc's if there was a setting off.



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    Default Re: Windows 7 Laptop on an old Network

    This can and will work, but is definitely quite advanced networking stuff ...
    due mostly to windows updates, if you have them on - they are the work of the devil.

    Possible issues.
    Firewalls - you may have blocked local access.
    Credentials - new updates forced some machine into encrypting share names and or usernames - and older machines, depending on their updates may or may not be compatible.
    Do you have sharing on ?
    Are the shares visible locally ?
    Do you have the right network settings ?
    Are you using static ips ?

    Most stuff is not possible (properly and reliably) to check for from graphical tools.
    Most error msgs are wrong, depending (e.g. access denied is not access denied, necessarily. It also happens with credentials issues, shared-access-token, mis-matched default encryption un usernames etc)
    This means you need to know cmd based networking stuff.
    ipconfig ...
    ping .. for checking connectivity and firewalls
    net share etc.. you shares
    net view ..
    net use .. to connect to a share

    Get everything connected. at a ping level.
    All firewalls off everywhere.
    Do NOT use homegroups in win7.
    (Often: Switch off all lan encryptions everywhere. With regedit.)
    Can you see lan shares from both ends locally ?
    Remove shares.
    Recreate them. This re-initialises credentials, and then they will work.
    Optionally, overriding the share permissions in advanced options access rights may fix the cross-rights issue.

    Hope this helps.
    If you want, PM me and I can do this remotely for you FOC, if you put teamviewer on the 2 pcs.
    Will take 5 mins to 30 mins.
    I am at CET+1, and can free up time if it is scheduled in advance.

    Otherwise, expect to spend about 1-2 days at this, learning a lot about ms networking, with a lot of the advice being wrong due to ms automatic updates.
    They keep switching the lan ports, access rights, username/paths encryptions, You see, via the updates.
    Naturally, they don´t document this stuff anywhere, or announce it.

    This is done partly on purpose, to force people off the older systems.
    Security is quoted as a reason, but the new systems are not secure, so this is less than convincing..
    Try to avoid Win10.



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    Default Re: Windows 7 Laptop on an old Network

    I guess there's just no easy way to add this new laptop to the old network.
    F'ing micro soft !!! What the EEEF were they thinking???
    Fading out old computers is one thing 500 to a few G's...
    But one doesn't just "fade out" machine tools at 10's of thousands of dollars...
    It's just not supposed to be this dam hard to do...
    He I am work ON the dam thing again instead of working WITH it to try and make a dollar or two...
    CRAP !!!! Where's the "PNP" simplicity....!!

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    Default Re: Windows 7 Laptop on an old Network

    Update:
    Looking into getting a (NAS) Network Attached Storage drive.
    It's been explained to me that it's like a language translator.
    TCIP on one side into the NAS box and netbuei on the other side...
    Thinking about buying & trying it out.
    I'll post back with what happens...

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    Default Re: Windows 7 Laptop on an old Network

    A NAS is not a translator.

    Netbeui is the old MS net protocol used in the DOS days since 3.11 (extra disks) and supported by every version of windows till approx Win 7.
    Not in use today in Windows, all is TCP/IP.

    But, most NAS run linux, and if the NAS supports both netbeui and TCP/IP, and it very likely will, all the PCs can see the NAS box.
    Unless the problem is on the new Windows box.

    It is a good idea.
    Easy solution for s shareable storage media.



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    Default Re: Windows 7 Laptop on an old Network

    Got a local network tech coming out today to make the computers talk.

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    Default Re: Windows 7 Laptop on an old Network

    Local guy FLAKED OUT....

    Looking for someone to help with this issue...
    I've got no internet out in the shop, only a small network.

    I hope to find someone local if possible..... I think it will be easier if the person is standing there with the computers... rather then over the phone...

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    Default Re: Windows 7 Laptop on an old Network

    None of it is rocket surgery. You just have to reduce the quality of the Windows 7 networking to play nice with XP. Make sure they belong to the same workgroup and create a local account on both machines with the username and password to be used when accessing across the network. No real magic to it.

    Complete Guide to Networking Windows 7 with XP and Vista

    Share Files and Printers between Windows 7 and XP

    I wouldn't call the first article complete but between those 2 you should be able to get yourself going.



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    Ok I'll give it a shot.
    Thanks !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny Duval View Post
    None of it is rocket surgery. You just have to reduce the quality of the Windows 7 networking to play nice with XP. Make sure they belong to the same workgroup and create a local account on both machines with the username and password to be used when accessing across the network. No real magic to it.

    Complete Guide to Networking Windows 7 with XP and Vista

    Share Files and Printers between Windows 7 and XP

    I wouldn't call the first article complete but between those 2 you should be able to get yourself going.


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