Wiring new controllers and the other things!

[robwiacek]

I’m trying to rebuild an old cnc router that has New Automation Technologies controllers and done other parts.
All of the parts were recommended by Jeff Alessi who I can’t thank enough for his help.
I’m unable to find him now to put the parts
together.
I contacted Automation Tech where I bought these parts, and John really can help. He recommends getting help.
So, I need help.
The first thing is to simply wire these parts, then
A plug? Maybe use the start buttons on the enclosure?
Thanjs


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[wmgeorge]

So how much do you know about CNC systems, are you an electrician?

[robwiacek]

So how much do you know about CNC systems, are you an electrician?

I can physically wire a house from pole to outlets.
But I’ve never done this from the start.
I have however replaced the wiring on my KL-1212
But that’s simple, because I’m just replacing.
What’s your thought?


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[Jim Dawson]

First draw a diagram of what you are going to do. Look at the manuals from Automation Technologies, that would be a good starting point. Are you using the original router controller and software? Do you have the original electric diagrams for the machine?

[robwiacek]

First draw a diagram of what you are going to do. Look at the manuals from Automation Technologies, that would be a good starting point. Are you using the original router controller and software? Do you have the original electric diagrams for the machine?

The original machine only consists of the 3 Motors. X,Y,Z on a rack and pinion set up.
We will use Porter Cable routers attached in the 2 spindle positions.
These won’t be controlled by Mach 3 or anything. Simply on and off.
I asked John at Auto Tech for a diagram, but I’m unsure of the terminology on some of the schematics.
Did you see the picture of what I have?
If I could get this boxed wired, then I could take it too the school and try to connect the X,Y and Z servos...I guess that’s what you call the motors.


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[Jim Dawson]

It looks like you have stepper drives there, so I assume stepper motors also. I understand that the Porter Cable router motors will be just on and off but how are you controlling the stepper drives?

[wmgeorge]

Ok so you are an electrician, what controller are you using? Software?

[robwiacek]

It looks like you have stepper drives there, so I assume stepper motors also. I understand that the Porter Cable router motors will be just on and off but how are you controlling the stepper drives?

I was instructed to purchase these items by a fellow named Jeff Alessi. He was helping me build my STEM Program for the boys I teach in the court appointed facility.



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[Jim Dawson]

The stepper drives are fine, assuming the motors are compatible. Maybe you could get the information off of the data tag on the motors if it exists.

The stepper drives require a step (Pul) and direction (Dir) input to run the motor. This input is normally generated by the controller or CNC software. There is going to have to be a computer of some kind in this system.

[robwiacek]

The stepper drives are fine, assuming the motors are compatible. Maybe you could get the information off of the data tag on the motors if it exists.

The stepper drives require a step (Pul) and direction (Dir) input to run the motor. This input is normally generated by the controller or CNC software. There is going to have to be a computer of some kind in this system.

Yup, got that. I have the cable, the card, Mach 3
Just really need to know what wire goes where inside the Enclosure.
That’ll be my first step.
Of course where I put the plug? Lol... KISS right?
Keep It Simple Stupid.
I have a KL-1212, I’ll look inside that controller to see if it makes sense.
But the drivers were specked from the man Jeff Alessi who helped me get goin.
So I assume it matches the motors. I can’t get there for a week to check the labels, but I may have some in this phone.
Ok
Goin to bed, let’s chat tomorrow.
Thanks for your help.



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[Jim Dawson]

Well, 120V AC goes to the AC terminals on the drives. PE terminal goes to ground.
120V AC goes to the 24V power supply also.
Not sure the 5V power supply is needed, depends on which board you have. But it won't hurt to wire it in.

Proper fusing is needed for the power supplies. Each drive should also have its own fuse.

The A+, A-, B+, and B- go the the motor wires
The PUL+, PUL-, DIR+, and DIR- go to the appropriate terminals on the board. Exactly which board you have will determine the correct terminals.
The EN and RDY terminals can be ignored for now, but maybe the RDY terminals should be in series with the E-stop switch. I haven't read through the drive manual yet.

Read through this thread, a lot of good information on wiring panels and what they should look like. https://www.cnczone.com/forums/mecha...77816-cnc.html

[robwiacek]

Well, 120V AC goes to the AC terminals on the drives. PE terminal goes to ground.
120V AC goes to the 24V power supply also.
Not sure the 5V power supply is needed, depends on which board you have. But it won't hurt to wire it in.

Proper fusing is needed for the power supplies. Each drive should also have its own fuse.

The A+, A-, B+, and B- go the the motor wires
The PUL+, PUL-, DIR+, and DIR- go to the appropriate terminals on the board. Exactly which board you have will determine the correct terminals.
The EN and RDY terminals can be ignored for now, but maybe the RDY terminals should be in series with the E-stop switch. I haven't read through the drive manual yet.

Read through this thread, a lot of good information on wiring panels and what they should look like. https://www.cnczone.com/forums/mecha...77816-cnc.html

Thank you very much, I will.
Here’s some pics of the motors.


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[Al_The_Man]

If wiring up an enclosure you should get hold of a copy of NFPA79, Electrical Standard for Industrial Machinery.
I believe there is still a copy available out there in PDF.
Al.

[automationtechinc]

Here is the wiring for this stepper Driver, This kind of stepper driver is for high inductance stepper motor

https://www.automationtechnologiesin...stepper-drive/

https://www.automationtechnologiesin...1080Wiring.pdf

[robwiacek]

Here is the wiring for this stepper Driver, This kind of stepper driver is for high inductance stepper motor

https://www.automationtechnologiesin...stepper-drive/

https://www.automationtechnologiesin...1080Wiring.pdf

Thank you!


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[Jim Dawson]

The good news is that the Anaheim Automation motors are well documented. Looks like they are 6 lead motors. https://www.anaheimautomation.com/ma...ec%20Sheet.pdf

You will only be using 4 of the 6 leads to wire to the new stepper drives.

[robwiacek]

The good news is that the Anaheim Automation motors are well documented. Looks like they are 6 lead motors. https://www.anaheimautomation.com/ma...ec%20Sheet.pdf

You will only be using 4 of the 6 leads to wire to the new stepper drives.

Thanks JIM.
I’m worried what happened to a man named Jeff Alessi.
He put the package of parts together for me seeking nothing for himself. After a few chats.... POOF! He disappeared. He sounded like he was a senior citizen, but who knows.
Thanks for your help.


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[Jim Dawson]

I could disappear also, I'm 70 There are a lot of experienced folks on here that can help you get going.

EDIT: I should note that since that machine will be operated in an institutional/commercial environment the machine grounding and safety systems must meet local and OSHA codes. What we get away with in our home shops is not going to fly in an institutional/commercial environment, this has to be done correctly.

[Al_The_Man]

One other reason to look up the NFPA79!
Al.

[robwiacek]

I could disappear also, I'm 70 There are a lot of experienced folks on here that can help you get going.

EDIT: I should note that since that machine will be operated in an institutional/commercial environment the machine grounding and safety systems must meet local and OSHA codes. What we get away with in our home shops is not going to fly in an institutional/commercial environment, this has to be done correctly.

Thanks
I also admin the OSHA program for my boys.


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