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    Lightbulb 6040 CNCEST USB 1.5KW Spindle and BOB electronics

    Topics:
    Regarding: 6040 CNCEST USB running on Mach3 with the RnRMotion.dll plugin
    1) Spindle Disassembly: 1.5KW GDZ-80 80mm Spindle dis-assembly tear down and re-assembly
    2) Red USB Flying Eagle Series motion control card breakout-board (BOB)
    by Bitsensor.com called a Super USB interface MACH3 motion control card
    (M# BSMCE04U-PP)


    Welcome!


    INTRODUCTION:


    Greetings:


    The company I work for purchased a 6040 parallel port a CNCEST (no, not INCEST) CNC router from bestbid818 on eBay. It came with somewhat of a manual on CD and although it took me a while to set it up in Mach3, But I figured it out and it has had no significant problems. It has been a good production machine. I am new to CNC, so I figured it would be a good way to get my feet wet; I am an expert in SolidWorks and a design engineer, and somewhat knowlegable in Fusion360 and Vectric VCarve Pro.


    So I went ahead an purchased the USB version of the 6040 from the same vendor; but it seems like they are a completely different seller comparing to the first purchase, even though they have the same seller name on eBay. They have the typical inability to communicate in engrish or understand questions: "How long of a cord should I use?" "yes". It arrived in the same packaging a the previous one, but had parts damaged (h2O pump). They furnished a link to supposedly some drivers. Luckily I had the previous experience with the parallel port version. It looks similar to this:
    6040 CNCEST USB 1.5KW Spindle and BOB electronics-typical-4-axis-usb-6040-cnc-router


    Up until recently, I had still not been able to cut with the USB version I purchased since I could not consistently control the spindle; that, and there is rusty residue in the output from the spindle in the cooling tube, and it makes a bad bearing sound when starting up. I was concerned the water jacket was leaking and had damaged the bearings, so I removed the 80mm spindle from the clamp and proceeded to take it apart.
    Of course, I searched many, many posts here on CNCzone before starting, via Google and on YouTube looking for info on how to disassemble safely, and while I found some other information on other spindles and taking them apart, but I never found specific details on this particular spindle; I am sure there are a lot of these spindles out there, and there were some that were similar, but not this model. So, I am providing this review of my disassembly and re-assembly for everyone who has an interest or need to perform this process. I also state I am sharing this as how I did it, with no responsibility for how you MIGHT do it, if you elect to.


    Note: I took photos during the disassembly so everthing may not be exactly in the correct order.


    The specific model is a:
    GDZ-80-1.5C ø80x188 110v 1.5KW 10A 400hz 24000 rpm


    I am providing a PDF document I have compiled for the benefit of anyone else who is interested.


    The other issue I have been having is that I can control the motion of the my table fine for XYZA, both using G-code and manual jogging/jog keys, but the spindle controller cannot receive a M03/M05 from Mach3. When you click spindle button 'on', it spins up, and click spindle off, it turns off, but will not accept a command from G-code or from the MDI (manual data input). It has occasionally recognized an M03 and M05 in the past, but mysteriously just for a short period, and I am was not knowlegable enough to know why.
    Any ideas?
    Well, here is the good news: I solved the spindle control issue.


    I am sure that THOUSANDS of these 'fine quality' chinese CNC machines, and since no-one bothered to answer my previous post,
    https://www.cnczone.com/forums/chine...ml#post2239462
    I did a LOT of research, including figuring out how to translate chinese. Since there is RARELY any documentation (in an understandable format) provided for any of the electronics or mechanical systems, you are pretty much on your own. For six months since I got the machine I did not have time to troubleshoot it. Mysteriously and intermittently, sometimes I could get the spindle to work by clicking the spindle button in Mach3 . Since this was the USB version, I had no idea how it worked and the cryptic chinese vids and docs did not help.
    I carefully took the cover off the controller and took photos for later reference which I compiled into a single shot which I share here.
    'USB 6040 internals single photo.jpg'
    Using the picture(s) I was able to determine the how the components were set up by following cable details and knowing which components were what. What I found is that the USB version seems not to care about pin details as much as the parallel port version. I also figured out that the output was on OUT2 (not OUT1, as the documentation seemed to indicate). When I changed the spindle setting \Config\Ports and Pins\Spindle Setup\Relay Control\Clockwise (M3) Output #>to [2], the spindle began working properly; The way I figured that out was by looking at the BOB photo to determine the yellow wire was in the OUT2 socket and went to the FWD on the spindle control board (known as 'inverter' in chinese docs). BTW, thanks chinese guys for the wiring diagram; NOT. or the model number/user guide/owners manual/chip data/board data; at least we get to educate ourselves at their expense. I also tranlated the 'Flying Eagle Series Motion Control Card Quick Start Guide Version 1.0' which was originally in a secured PDF so you could not copy or translate it, but due to trickiness on my part, I did anyway. Again, THANKS for NOTHING, chinese guys.
    Anyhoo, I hope that this will help others who are in the same boat as me..
    (a slow boat from china)
    :-)
    -Christian

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    Default Re: 6040 CNCEST USB 1.5KW Spindle and BOB electronics

    Hello Christian,
    Many thanks for posting these photographs. They have been extremely useful to me in checking the wiring layout on my CNC machine which is identical to yours. Almost...
    It seems our Chinese cousins are not too fussy about conventions in wiring colours so some of my wires are differently coloured to those in your excellent pix.
    For example your PCB has a black wire apparently between ACM and DCM I am not sure what these initials stand for but I assume they are for Analog and Digital Common), whereas mine has a red wire. One end was loose so I'm not sure where it was supposed to be connected.

    Sad to say, my machine resisted all my newby attempts to get it to fire up. The Spindle Motor worked in Manual mode but no combination of Pin Assignment numbers could coax the motors to do anything but remain locked with standing current.

    On the positive side, the suppliers conceded that some of these PCBs are a bit flakey and they have sent me a replacement.
    I think the rest of the motor wiring was correct on the original board but I would be grateful if you would be kind enough to confirm the connection wire between ACM and DCM. It's almost visible behind another wire loon in the top, right picture so I think I'm on the right track
    I'm a retired technician but my foggy brain cells really take some prodding to get moving these days.

    I assume by now you will have your machine well and truly milling. Could I impose upon your good nature to send me a few screen shots or lists for the pin settings you are using?
    I have the software supplied by the vendor and it looks okay... until I set the numbers in the pin allocation tabs, that is. Alas there has been no action so I'm really keen to finally get this machine running.
    Your clear discussion of the setup issues is a great help!

    Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions.
    Cheers from 'Trooble' in beautiful Melbourne (Australia, not Florida )



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    Default Re: 6040 CNCEST USB 1.5KW Spindle and BOB electronics

    Hello again, Christian.
    I'm not sure how this 'Quick Reply' works, or whether it appears on the forum page.
    I forgot to include my e-mail address in my QR to you which I sent yesterday.
    I am at:
    jamestp1@bigpond.com

    If you are able to send me pix or a list of your settings I would be deeply appreciative.
    I would guess that there are many 'newbies' in much the same boat :-}

    Thanks again,
    James,
    aka 'Trooble'



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    Default Re: 6040 CNCEST USB 1.5KW Spindle and BOB electronics

    Thanks for the excellent post. I have the equivalent 6090 size machine. Hope my spindle holds up...

    Did you ever find any documentation for the motor driver boards? Thanks!



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    I’m having trouble with my new CNCEST machine. Do you think you could help me set it up? No manuals. No cd. I do have it running, but it’s not cutting in the right direction. I would like to compare settings if you would.

    Thx



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    Default Re: 6040 CNCEST USB 1.5KW Spindle and BOB electronics

    Did you ever get yours setup, I have just received the CNCEST 6090, Have it running but having trouble keeping the DRO to read in inches. I can get it to read in inches but when I restart mach3 it always reverts back to mm, so I have to change it back to inches every time. I have tried setting the native units to inches, lock the DRO to setup units under general configuration, and even changed it to inches on the settings tab. When I restart mach3 then it is reading in mm again. I can go back to the setting page and it will still be on inches so I click it to mm then back to inches and it is reading in inches again.

    I can use it like this but I would like for it to just stay in inches all the time, the seller keeps telling me that I have to install his version of Mach3 for it to work correctly and of course they are adamant about disabling antivirus, my registered copy of mach3 is newer than their copy they sent to me.

    Does everyone on here just use mm?

    The router seems to cut accurately when I drew out a 4" x 4" square and cut it into a piece of plywood, it looks dead on as far a reading it with a tape measure, which will be fine for what we are using it for.

    When I changed the native units I was unclear about what to set the motors to but have since found an example of how to do that so I will try that again when I get home. My understand is that the native units are for the motor control and if its cutting accurately then I should probable just leave that alone?

    Any help will be appreciated.

    Thank you.



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    Default Re: 6040 CNCEST USB 1.5KW Spindle and BOB electronics

    A General Reply:
    I have been running the USB Bitsensor BOB for over 2 years now and understand it nearly fully.
    If anyone has any questions, I would be happy to help. I have even (very simply) set up optical non-contact, 3-wired
    home switches. I also have successfully setup mist and flood coolant, and a delayed vacuum system. I am working on a
    good dust collection boot, but it is still in prototype mode. I have really struggled and now have won, so would like to pay it forward
    since I am sure there are a lot of people out there with this model of machine with no manual or help. Just understanding how it
    works is a huge part of winning the battle.
    -Christian





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    Default Re: 6040 CNCEST USB 1.5KW Spindle and BOB electronics

    Christian I have a 6040 that I have just bought from a guy who has had it for 2 years and never used it. I have followed so many sets of instructions but am unable to get the spindle controlled by Mach 3. I can run it in manual but not on the PC I have one of the eagle usb interface boards ( the red one if it helps) I have pulled the controller apart and when I jog the machine in an axis then the led on the interface board flickers to show data being received but the spindle cw F5 button does nothing. The connections are on out two to the FW on the VCD. Can you point me in the right direction on what I should be checking next

    Thanks



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    Default Re: 6040 CNCEST USB 1.5KW Spindle and BOB electronics

    idk guys i just pluged mine in and adjusted the steps and started running it
    i can send you the xml file



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    Default Re: 6040 CNCEST USB 1.5KW Spindle and BOB electronics

    Davlaz-
    Did you get this sorted?
    I have not been checking CNCzone for quite a while.
    I have photos of the controller BOB/VFD board wiring and Mach3 settings.
    -Christian



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    Default Re: 6040 CNCEST USB 1.5KW Spindle and BOB electronics

    Quote Originally Posted by vondeliusc View Post
    Topics:
    Regarding: 6040 CNCEST USB running on Mach3 with the RnRMotion.dll plugin
    1) Spindle Disassembly: 1.5KW GDZ-80 80mm Spindle dis-assembly tear down and re-assembly
    2) Red USB Flying Eagle Series motion control card breakout-board (BOB)
    by Bitsensor.com called a Super USB interface MACH3 motion control card
    (M# BSMCE04U-PP)


    Welcome!


    INTRODUCTION:


    Greetings:


    The company I work for purchased a 6040 parallel port a CNCEST (no, not INCEST) CNC router from bestbid818 on eBay. It came with somewhat of a manual on CD and although it took me a while to set it up in Mach3, But I figured it out and it has had no significant problems. It has been a good production machine. I am new to CNC, so I figured it would be a good way to get my feet wet; I am an expert in SolidWorks and a design engineer, and somewhat knowlegable in Fusion360 and Vectric VCarve Pro.


    So I went ahead an purchased the USB version of the 6040 from the same vendor; but it seems like they are a completely different seller comparing to the first purchase, even though they have the same seller name on eBay. They have the typical inability to communicate in engrish or understand questions: "How long of a cord should I use?" "yes". It arrived in the same packaging a the previous one, but had parts damaged (h2O pump). They furnished a link to supposedly some drivers. Luckily I had the previous experience with the parallel port version. It looks similar to this:
    6040 CNCEST USB 1.5KW Spindle and BOB electronics-typical-4-axis-usb-6040-cnc-router


    Up until recently, I had still not been able to cut with the USB version I purchased since I could not consistently control the spindle; that, and there is rusty residue in the output from the spindle in the cooling tube, and it makes a bad bearing sound when starting up. I was concerned the water jacket was leaking and had damaged the bearings, so I removed the 80mm spindle from the clamp and proceeded to take it apart.
    Of course, I searched many, many posts here on CNCzone before starting, via Google and on YouTube looking for info on how to disassemble safely, and while I found some other information on other spindles and taking them apart, but I never found specific details on this particular spindle; I am sure there are a lot of these spindles out there, and there were some that were similar, but not this model. So, I am providing this review of my disassembly and re-assembly for everyone who has an interest or need to perform this process. I also state I am sharing this as how I did it, with no responsibility for how you MIGHT do it, if you elect to.


    Note: I took photos during the disassembly so everthing may not be exactly in the correct order.


    The specific model is a:
    GDZ-80-1.5C ø80x188 110v 1.5KW 10A 400hz 24000 rpm


    I am providing a PDF document I have compiled for the benefit of anyone else who is interested.


    The other issue I have been having is that I can control the motion of the my table fine for XYZA, both using G-code and manual jogging/jog keys, but the spindle controller cannot receive a M03/M05 from Mach3. When you click spindle button 'on', it spins up, and click spindle off, it turns off, but will not accept a command from G-code or from the MDI (manual data input). It has occasionally recognized an M03 and M05 in the past, but mysteriously just for a short period, and I am was not knowlegable enough to know why.
    Any ideas?
    Well, here is the good news: I solved the spindle control issue.


    I am sure that THOUSANDS of these 'fine quality' chinese CNC machines, and since no-one bothered to answer my previous post,
    https://www.cnczone.com/forums/chine...ml#post2239462
    I did a LOT of research, including figuring out how to translate chinese. Since there is RARELY any documentation (in an understandable format) provided for any of the electronics or mechanical systems, you are pretty much on your own. For six months since I got the machine I did not have time to troubleshoot it. Mysteriously and intermittently, sometimes I could get the spindle to work by clicking the spindle button in Mach3 . Since this was the USB version, I had no idea how it worked and the cryptic chinese vids and docs did not help.
    I carefully took the cover off the controller and took photos for later reference which I compiled into a single shot which I share here.
    'USB 6040 internals single photo.jpg'
    Using the picture(s) I was able to determine the how the components were set up by following cable details and knowing which components were what. What I found is that the USB version seems not to care about pin details as much as the parallel port version. I also figured out that the output was on OUT2 (not OUT1, as the documentation seemed to indicate). When I changed the spindle setting \Config\Ports and Pins\Spindle Setup\Relay Control\Clockwise (M3) Output #>to [2], the spindle began working properly; The way I figured that out was by looking at the BOB photo to determine the yellow wire was in the OUT2 socket and went to the FWD on the spindle control board (known as 'inverter' in chinese docs). BTW, thanks chinese guys for the wiring diagram; NOT. or the model number/user guide/owners manual/chip data/board data; at least we get to educate ourselves at their expense. I also tranlated the 'Flying Eagle Series Motion Control Card Quick Start Guide Version 1.0' which was originally in a secured PDF so you could not copy or translate it, but due to trickiness on my part, I did anyway. Again, THANKS for NOTHING, chinese guys.
    Anyhoo, I hope that this will help others who are in the same boat as me..
    (a slow boat from china)
    :-)
    -Christian



    Many thanks for all that information.

    I finally got my 6040 working. Did have a lot of issues I eventually got the better off.

    If anyone has any queries on this feel free to ask me.

    One quirk I ran into was my spindle would not work at all, not even in manual mode which lead me to believe something hooky
    on the main board. I did see a few badly soldered opto isolators and a few on the things too on the board. I touched these up and the
    manual then worked for me, hey presto....good to see something work for a change!!
    I managed the port settings for the spindle and it worked.
    Then my gcode that used to work showed no response from the machine at all but the spindle started up.
    So I turned everything off and on again and now everything seems to work except my emergency stop. This does not
    work so I have to figure if this is a mechanical failure in the switch....always something...arrrr....



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    Default Re: 6040 CNCEST USB 1.5KW Spindle and BOB electronics

    The EmergStop button is a simple NO or NC: determine what Mach3 is liking and on mine, there is a choice of NC or NO by the contacts-use a multimeter and match to Mach3.
    The EmergStop is easy to check.
    Glad you got your board sorted; these are GREAT boards, and a steal at $15.
    Personally working on home switches.
    -Christian



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