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    Hi, does anyone have experiences with BOSCH CC100 or CC120 losing of the data? I need cycle number 79 (reference cycle)
    Detailed description is in pdf file in attachment, or in address http://~/doc/108480947/CC100-eng
    Also I have many difficulties to send data from laptop to CC100, but in opposite direction everything goes very well...
    Any help will be very appreciated.



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    Hello,

    I think we have a FLoppy Disk with the cycles but Iam not in the workshop for the next 3 weeks. Maybe you just contact the BOSCH support to send you a copy of cycle data. If you have the cycle, you must unprotect the cycle memory. There is a switch at the control unit . Dont know exactly where.
    But If you lost a cycle, there might be a problem with the memory of the machine. You should ask BOSCH for a replacement.

    Best regards
    David

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    Quote Originally Posted by mihajlosvjetlanovic View Post
    Hi, does anyone have experiences with BOSCH CC100 or CC120 losing of the data? I need cycle number 79 (reference cycle)
    Detailed description is in pdf file in attachment, or in address http://~/doc/108480947/CC100-eng
    Also I have many difficulties to send data from laptop to CC100, but in opposite direction everything goes very well...
    Any help will be very appreciated.

    Hello,
    yes I had many experiance with my Wadkin cc2000 with a Bosch cc 100 controller.
    In my machine a router the cycle 79 is

    G90
    M53
    M51
    M55
    M57
    M79
    M38
    G74 Z
    G74 X Y
    M2


    As Transfer program please see the pictures.

    I will hope that I could help you. Please ask me more if you need help.
    Greetings
    Christoph



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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowTheHedgehog View Post
    Hello,

    I think we have a FLoppy Disk with the cycles but Iam not in the workshop for the next 3 weeks. Maybe you just contact the BOSCH support to send you a copy of cycle data. If you have the cycle, you must unprotect the cycle memory. There is a switch at the control unit . Dont know exactly where.
    But If you lost a cycle, there might be a problem with the memory of the machine. You should ask BOSCH for a replacement.

    Best regards
    David
    thank you for friendly advice, I will try to contact bosch support by e-mail
    and I also have a floppy with cycles but when I insert it there is a message "floppy disk is not formatted, do you want to format it now?" , I think that same thing will happen with yours too..
    I forgot to attach pdf at the first place, so now is attached
    I am also suspicius for my PIC PLC Program, i was write it from some paper version and I am not for sure if is corect, do you maybe have security backup, to send me to compare?
    Mihajlo



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bombastino View Post
    Hello,
    yes I had many experiance with my Wadkin cc2000 with a Bosch cc 100 controller.
    In my machine a router the cycle 79 is

    G90
    M53
    M51
    M55
    M57
    M79
    M38
    G74 Z
    G74 X Y
    M2


    As Transfer program please see the pictures.

    I will hope that I could help you. Please ask me more if you need help.
    Greetings
    Christoph

    Tank you, I will try with this... what kind of cable do you use for transfer? Is it null cable modem or there are some modifications in wiring?
    I read in books that condition for start and end of transfer are markings "DC2" STX ant "EOT" "DC4" can you send me one program which can be received and recognised by side of CC100, considering that temporary I do not know is it wrong with a cable, or sofrware or content of program for transfer?
    More detailed explanation of my problem is in attachment, i forgot to attach it in first post



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    You write, the transfer from machine to PC is ok ?

    In the other direction, PC to machine, don't forget the invisible first letter.
    I'am sure, this letter is important. Copy and paste it.

    [attachment=12182ATA2.JPG]



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    Be shure that your NC Pgm you want to load in the machine has the right header.
    I use notepad++ for editing NC files. In notepad++ you have the option to show non printable characters.

    You should download a file from the machine and open in notepad++ then open you NC file. rightclick the tab of your pgm and selct to move to the second view. Be sure to enable that unprintable characters ar shown. Somewhere in the menu this option, dont know exact where.

    Now you can compare the original header and your header on your own.

    Copy PLC from one machine to another is not that good. Because every machine has its own PLC. For example the CC100 we have controls a gun drill machine and not a router. It wont fit on yours.

    The cycle floppy can be damaged. You may download all files from machine and make your own backup for later use on a Harddisk or USB key.

    The cable should be a "Null modem cable". There is a schematics in the manual. If not google for "Null modem cable".

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    -Machine is Gloria Europa 2/40 - vertical mill -picture attached
    -When machine turns on than is shown on screen: "FEHLER, press info" when pres info i get message "error 241 Axis not halt"
    -Does anyone have experience with this mistake? What is detailed description of error, what causes this mistake, which cycle generate this message, or is something else? (in Manual is written that in front of each letter of axis needs to be a dot "." which represents that axis is halt.
    -I tried to contact bosch support by e-mail "service@cncsupport.co.uk" but there is not any response yet.
    -I have two CC100 control units, and I am sure that all cards are ok (picture attached).
    Does anyone have this same machine?
    Considering that error is shown before servos are started i am sure that problem is in control unit, and all card are ok, so it could be only mistake with software.



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    Is the CNC in german? Than "241 Axis not halt" can be emergency stop. Because not halt is emergency stop in german. There must be a failure in the emergency stop circuit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowTheHedgehog View Post
    Is the CNC in german? Than "241 Axis not halt" can be emergency stop. Because not halt is emergency stop in german. There must be a failure in the emergency stop circuit.
    Hi Shadow, yes machine is in German, actually is written: "241 ACHSE - Not halt" as you can see in above posted pdf.
    This message appears before I start servo drivers, and before start drivers emergency circuit is open, is that normal that this message appears before I start servos and when start it that message will disappear? (I am asking for this because control unit is now separated from machine, and it is not easy for me to install it just to try this, it is a lot of work, 5hours minimum). But if I remember correct I think that when I start control table that there need not to be any fehler (error), never mind if servos are not started yet.



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    I know it from the machine we own. Before you dont power up the servos you cant do much on the control.
    After having closed emergency circuit you can home the axis by softkey "Referenzfahrt" or something like this. Then you select "Alle Achsen" and push NC Start.
    After homing the axis you can have full acces to control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowTheHedgehog View Post
    I know it from the machine we own. Before you dont power up the servos you cant do much on the control.
    After having closed emergency circuit you can home the axis by softkey "Referenzfahrt" or something like this. Then you select "Alle Achsen" and push NC Start.
    After homing the axis you can have full acces to control.
    I tried, but there is no result... if emergency circuit is not closed servo drivers can't start. Is it possible that someone who have this control unit make some short video about regular procedure of switching on machine, starting servos and referencing axis, with a attention on what is happens on screen? What is important to see in this video is: does control unit displays any mistake after turning on machine until servos are started?
    It will be very appreciated.



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