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    Default Re: DO YOU THINK NEW BOBCAD USERS CAN BE INITIALLY VERY DIFFICULT AND BORING

    Well if I was in management at Bobcad, I would be going over to see Michael Gibson (MOI) and licensing the whole CAD package off of him, job done in my opinion.

    Barrie @ Composite Specialities Ltd. using BobCAD V30 Mill 3 axis Pro, Bricscad V14 and MOI V3 with CNC-Step High Z 1000S and Wabeco CC-F1210


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    Default Re: DO YOU THINK NEW BOBCAD USERS CAN BE INITIALLY VERY DIFFICULT AND BORING

    Quote Originally Posted by ger21 View Post
    With posts like this, there won't be too many new users to worry about.
    Agreed, today was offered a package for a great price BobCAD with the BobART and 3 axis Mill Pro modules - but after reading here and on the web getting nervous about the purchase. It does appear to be very different from parametric programs and apparently has a steep learning curve - which doesn't intimidate me. The question is - is it a program worth purchasing? It took since last August to get productively familiar with Fusion 360 - with the aid of books and videos. It doesn't appear there is a single book available on Amazon for BobCAD. Would be very reluctant to ask questions about the program here. Also downloaded MOI and it does appear to be quite an easy to use program - however limited.



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    Default Re: DO YOU THINK NEW BOBCAD USERS CAN BE INITIALLY VERY DIFFICULT AND BORING

    youtube,,,,type in bobcad,,video's galore



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    Quote Originally Posted by VGcustomshop View Post
    Agreed, today was offered a package for a great price BobCAD with the BobART and 3 axis Mill Pro modules - but after reading here and on the web getting nervous about the purchase. It does appear to be very different from parametric programs and apparently has a steep learning curve - which doesn't intimidate me. The question is - is it a program worth purchasing? It took since last August to get productively familiar with Fusion 360 - with the aid of books and videos. It doesn't appear there is a single book available on Amazon for BobCAD. Would be very reluctant to ask questions about the program here. Also downloaded MOI and it does appear to be quite an easy to use program - however limited.
    Al Depaolo's After Dark videos on YouTube provide excellent tutorials, along with the Learning Professor Video DVDs, which you should add to your purchase, provide a better learning resource than any book and sensibly asked questions are met with a wealth of assistance right here.

    Any CAD/CAM has a steep learning curve, you've already learned Fusion 360 and thus are now familiar with an Autocad-alike, you need to start with identifying what's wrong with it that you don't want to stick with it?

    You can download and use the free BobCAD-CAM demo for as long as you want, once your modelling and tool path generation are where you think they need to be you can (Al assures me you can even if sales act dumb) request a short fully functional trial license that will allow you to generate code to test on your machines so there is no risk if you sensibly use the resources on offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magicniner View Post
    Al Depaolo's After Dark videos on YouTube provide excellent tutorials, along with the Learning Professor Video DVDs, which you should add to your purchase, provide a better learning resource than any book and sensibly asked questions are met with a wealth of assistance right here.

    Any CAD/CAM has a steep learning curve, you've already learned Fusion 360 and thus are now familiar with an Autocad-alike, you need to start with identifying what's wrong with it that you don't want to stick with it?

    You can download and use the free BobCAD-CAM demo for as long as you want, once your modelling and tool path generation are where you think they need to be you can (Al assures me you can even if sales act dumb) request a short fully functional trial license that will allow you to generate code to test on your machines so there is no risk if you sensibly use the resources on offer.

    Yes Al ran through a demonstration with me and is an ace at BobCAM. That's a good question: why not stick with Fusion - well some suggestions here and around that BobCAD is easier/better to use, isn't cloud based and actually you own it and whatever you design with it. However, so far working through the CAD demo tutorials has proved more difficult than with Fusion. It seems to me that BobCAD is more of a CAM program at least that's where most of its strengths seem to be. Also, 3rd party documentation is non existent - for example books on Amazon. NURBS based programs interest me - but staying with Fusion and purchasing a much cheaper NURBS program like MOI may be the smart way to go - at least for me at this point. Thanks for the input.

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    Default Re: DO YOU THINK NEW BOBCAD USERS CAN BE INITIALLY VERY DIFFICULT AND BORING

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    Any CAM programme has a steep learning curve be prepared for that, IMO the 3D printers have created a culture where people think that you just throw a 3D CAD model at the 'maker machine' and the desired object comes out like it is on a conveyor belt, not saying for one moment that you fall into that catagory.

    Despite my frustrations with the CAD side of BobCAD would I go down the same route again? Yes I probably would. I could use Alibre CAM as I have full level Alibre but I am doubtful that I would be able to create some of the odd control geometry and surfaces that are required when programming, this creation of control geometry is not unique to BobCAD, as I was a senior manager in an F1 motorsport sub contractor I saw the programmer toolmakers often making these types of geometric additions.

    I know a lot of people are going down the Fusion 360 route but I have reservations about this, the cloud based storage is not to my liking although I believe there are work arounds on that, not owning the license also spring to mind.

    A very important thing to remember with CAM packages is that a large number of these packages (a majority IMO) use the same CAM kernal, so up to a point what is the cheapest way to get to that CAM kernal, for me this is through BobCAD. AlibreCAM which is produced by Mechsoft uses the same CAM kernal.

    With regard to product documentation, as others have said there are a mass of Youtube video's which often quickly explain an issue and also lead you ontop other relevant subjects.

    What projects are you actually planning on making?

    There is a lot of G code being produced by people using BobCAD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bazzer View Post
    VGcustom

    Any CAM programme has a steep learning curve be prepared for that, IMO the 3D printers have created a culture where people think that you just throw a 3D CAD model at the 'maker machine' and the desired object comes out like it is on a conveyor belt, not saying for one moment that you fall into that catagory.

    Despite my frustrations with the CAD side of BobCAD would I go down the same route again? Yes I probably would. I could use Alibre CAM as I have full level Alibre but I am doubtful that I would be able to create some of the odd control geometry and surfaces that are required when programming, this creation of control geometry is not unique to BobCAD, as I was a senior manager in an F1 motorsport sub contractor I saw the programmer toolmakers often making these types of geometric additions.

    I know a lot of people are going down the Fusion 360 route but I have reservations about this, the cloud based storage is not to my liking although I believe there are work arounds on that, not owning the license also spring to mind.

    A very important thing to remember with CAM packages is that a large number of these packages (a majority IMO) use the same CAM kernal, so up to a point what is the cheapest way to get to that CAM kernal, for me this is through BobCAD. AlibreCAM which is produced by Mechsoft uses the same CAM kernal.

    With regard to product documentation, as others have said there are a mass of Youtube video's which often quickly explain an issue and also lead you ontop other relevant subjects.

    What projects are you actually planning on making?

    There is a lot of G code being produced by people using BobCAD.

    Regards

    Barrie
    Thanks for your observations Barrie, after going through a lot of demos decided on MOI (Moment of Inspiration). Still looking for a CAM package but in the meantime will use the one in Fusion 360.

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    Agreed!

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