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    Hi All,
    I've been working on a set of anti-backlash nuts for my RF-45 dovetail column milling machine. They are up and running now, so I thought I'd share the idea.

    I started my conversion to CNC with these nuts, and I actually bought some 1/2" Nook acme screws, but thought that it doesn't make much sense for to just chuck the RF screws into the dumpster. I decided that it makes a lot of sense to keep the RF screws and make nuts for them.

    I designed some nuts that are very low friction, anti-backlash, very stiff in the torsional and axial directions, and most importantly have a long life, and not allow for degradation in stiffness with wear. I also have made the preload spring loaded, so the nuts will be wear compensating. The nuts have two identical nut halves, one is fixed to the mounting block, one floats and is spring preloaded. The advantage of this vs. the split type that is preloaded radially inward by a spring is that the entire nut half must be worn away before the assembly will be subject to backlash. A split type radially preloaded nut needs only to wear away the last few threads a bit before backlash can happen.

    For this I came up with a design that has a large bearing surface area to resist torsional loads. I used four shoulder bolts as linear slide rods through bored holes in the nuts. I used precision 3/8" dia. shoulder bolts from Holo-Krome to perform this function, as they are ground and are very straight, have a nice surface finish, very good concentricity with the thread, controlled shoulder diameter. Four of these bolts yields a bearing area of 1.5 sq. in. in each rotation direction.

    I also decided that this much bearing area is of little use if I cantilever the nuts out on the bolts a long distance, therefore I put the moveable nut right next to the support block, the springs are the outboard element, loading the bolts in tension, and allowing me to use compression srpings, but only cantilever a short distance (depends on preload, but in the range of .2in or so).

    Since the RF-45 has a lot of room under the slides (with the exception of the Y axis on the side near the column), I used 1" thick black acetal nut halves. This should give a very long wear life for these nuts. Basically it was just as easy to machine small thin nuts, as to machine large nuts that I will not have to worry about for some time.

    The tricky part with the RF screw was that it is an oddball size. Mine are both 0.920 major diameter, 0.820 minor diamter, 10 tpi (of course since they're lead screws with dials 0.1"/rev). I figured these would follow the ANSI standard for thread geometry, and deviate only in the diameter. I lathe cut these internal threads with the minimum standard clearances for an ANSI acme thread, and found I had to loosen up to about the maximum of the ANSI tolerance, and they spin quite freely. They actually seem to have lees friction without grease on the threads than with, but I am still using a very light machine oil to keep the screws from rusting.

    I think this design concept might be useful for many of you that are in the same boat as I am, and could be scaled up or down for other sizes (standard sizes would be a lot easier!).

    Cheers,
    Erik

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    Looks very nicely executed. If you don't mind I think I might make use of your idea myself



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    LongRat, thank you and of course feel free to use what you can!



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    Very nice. Were you able to use it on both x and y axis? Any interest in selling 2 more?

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    Wow, beautiful work Erik! Thanks for sharing.

    I'm just learning this stuff and am curious how this is assembled. Do you loosen the four bolt/screws, thread the leadscrew into the movable nut then into the fixed one, holding them apart as the screw starts into the fixed one....then tighten the 4 bolts to get the preload? As Ricky used to say: "Splane it to me Lucy."

    Also, the mounting block looks to be aluminum...is that right? Could you post a pic of the tool you cut the threads with? Is it an insert tool or did you grind one yourself?

    I might try this on my X-3 which has too much backlash to suit me. It's not going to be CNC'd anytime soon but it'd be good practice to reduce the backlash and friction in the 'screws.



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    Default Re: Anti Backlash nuts to fit RF-45 screws

    Erik,

    How did your Anti-Backlash nut for the RF-45 work out? Did it hold tolerance? How was the wear? When did you if ever have to adjust the springs? How about the Delrin, have you needed to replace it with new?



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    Very nicely done. I was just taking my Dyna DM2400 apart recently. It has very low backlash and uses a leadscrew, generally under .0005 for its small travel. Upon disassembly it had a similarly designed nut. In concept anyway. I will find a pic or 2. It didnt have springs though. What it did have were two Delrin nuts that had a metal shell, they were inserted into a bore that allowed them to be twisted towards each other, backlash removed and then set screwed. It works great as I am sure yours does. I am curious as to its durability on bigger applications. It lasts forever in shock absorber bushings.

    In regards to lube. I believe I would stay away from it. I know that Kerk says not use oil or grease on their coated screws with a Delrin nut. My understanding of Delrin is that it does have great lubricity.

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    I did some testing with Delrin nuts too.

    One thing you will have to watch is the top speed. The fine TPI makes fore high RPM which will will melt the nuts. Staying under 60 IPM or such depending on the preload might be good idea.

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    Default Re: Anti Backlash nuts to fit RF-45 screws

    Thanks for sharing! I have the same leadscrew thread and diameter you mentioned on a Rong Fu RF-30. Are they straight threads? They don't seem acme or trapezoidal for me... How did you machined the cylindrical threaded part that goes into fixing the nut to the bed? What is that machined operation called ? Are the nuts still holding up good? Did you measure backlash? thanks again.

    ]Hi All,
    I've been working on a set of anti-backlash nuts for my RF-45 dovetail column milling machine. They are up and running now, so I thought I'd share the idea.

    I started my conversion to CNC with these nuts, and I actually bought some 1/2" Nook acme screws, but thought that it doesn't make much sense for to just chuck the RF screws into the dumpster. I decided that it makes a lot of sense to keep the RF screws and make nuts for them.

    I designed some nuts that are very low friction, anti-backlash, very stiff in the torsional and axial directions, and most importantly have a long life, and not allow for degradation in stiffness with wear. I also have made the preload spring loaded, so the nuts will be wear compensating. The nuts have two identical nut halves, one is fixed to the mounting block, one floats and is spring preloaded. The advantage of this vs. the split type that is preloaded radially inward by a spring is that the entire nut half must be worn away before the assembly will be subject to backlash. A split type radially preloaded nut needs only to wear away the last few threads a bit before backlash can happen.

    For this I came up with a design that has a large bearing surface area to resist torsional loads. I used four shoulder bolts as linear slide rods through bored holes in the nuts. I used precision 3/8" dia. shoulder bolts from Holo-Krome to perform this function, as they are ground and are very straight, have a nice surface finish, very good concentricity with the thread, controlled shoulder diameter. Four of these bolts yields a bearing area of 1.5 sq. in. in each rotation direction.

    I also decided that this much bearing area is of little use if I cantilever the nuts out on the bolts a long distance, therefore I put the moveable nut right next to the support block, the springs are the outboard element, loading the bolts in tension, and allowing me to use compression srpings, but only cantilever a short distance (depends on preload, but in the range of .2in or so).

    Since the RF-45 has a lot of room under the slides (with the exception of the Y axis on the side near the column), I used 1" thick black acetal nut halves. This should give a very long wear life for these nuts. Basically it was just as easy to machine small thin nuts, as to machine large nuts that I will not have to worry about for some time.

    The tricky part with the RF screw was that it is an oddball size. Mine are both 0.920 major diameter, 0.820 minor diamter, 10 tpi (of course since they're lead screws with dials 0.1"/rev). I figured these would follow the ANSI standard for thread geometry, and deviate only in the diameter. I lathe cut these internal threads with the minimum standard clearances for an ANSI acme thread, and found I had to loosen up to about the maximum of the ANSI tolerance, and they spin quite freely. They actually seem to have lees friction without grease on the threads than with, but I am still using a very light machine oil to keep the screws from rusting.

    I think this design concept might be useful for many of you that are in the same boat as I am, and could be scaled up or down for other sizes (standard sizes would be a lot easier!).

    Cheers,
    Erik[/QUOTE]



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