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anoel
10-12-2004, 12:12 AM
I finished converting my HF Micro Mill this weekend. So far so good, My first test cut after tweaking turned out rather decent...

I'll try to have a decent part produced with it to show here soon. Gotta clean up the mess now...

http://home.insightbb.com/~nnoel/micromill/RenegadeMill.jpg

cncadmin
10-12-2004, 12:15 AM
Nice job, what kinda backlash do you have?

anoel
10-12-2004, 08:37 AM
Thanks the backlash comp is set at with the stock screws is right at .003" on both the X and Y. I'm not using the stock leadscrew on the Z I replaced it with a 3/8"-16 Stainless threaded rod and homemade Delrin nut and so far have no backlash comp set on it.

Deviant
10-12-2004, 09:26 AM
I do see one problem though. There is beer, but no hammer? How can you work on something without a hammer?

What steppers/drivers are you using?

anoel
10-12-2004, 10:16 AM
Oh there "IS" a "well worn" hammer there. it's lying on the bench just out of sight of the camera. ;)

I'm using the New Unipolar Chopper from HobbyCNC. (Works Beautifully)

The steppers are 144oz. American Precision Industries motors that I got from forum member.

Deviant
10-12-2004, 11:03 AM
*grins*

What's the feed rate on that guy. I'm trying to get a rough idea on what mine will be. When I convert the HF mini mill.

Was there any reason you picked the micro mill over the mini mill? Personally, I like the look of the micro better, and really don't car for the 3 drill press style handle on the mini.

I haven't purchased the mini mill yet, but I stop by randomly and lay claim to the display model at HF.

Spoke with the manager, they are going to do price matching on homeir's. Just trying to gather more info before I hand over the cash. ((sorry for rambling))

anoel
10-12-2004, 11:20 AM
I wish that I had gone with the mini-mill personally for a couple of reasons.

#1 reason is that MT2 for the Micro-Mill tooling is Way more expensive and less common than the R8 tooling of the Mini-Mill. The difference in tooling costs more than makes up for the price difference.

#2 the X and Y construction of the Mini is a bit better.

#3 the Mini-is Just beefier in the column and makes for a more rigid machine.

The Z on the Mini is a a bit trickier to convert but there have been several proven ways to convert that axis.

But in all I'm quite suprised at the Micro-Mill's performance when cutting.

I've done rapids of 28 ipm so far but that's a bit too fast for actual cutting on this little mill with anything but the lightest Depth of Cut.

Deviant
10-12-2004, 11:31 AM
Yea, the beefy bit and the r8 tooling is the only thing still catching my eye about the mini mill.

I'm still struggling with building one from scratch, maybe for the next mill. Since I'd like to do small production runs, and not deal with the readjustment of the ways.

When you get a chance can you post some better pictures of stepper mounts.

What software are you using to convert your model to code?

Thanks for the prompt replies.

strat
03-14-2005, 07:51 AM
i bought one of these yesterday ( what am i getting myself into ) i noticed you have like a shock on it for your z could i get the source for that from ya?

MIKE JEFFERS
03-15-2005, 07:39 AM
hello
I cnc'd my micro mill a few months ago and have been running it a lot to get an idea
of its capabilities, and its not too bad my z axis motor (180 oz) isn't strong enough
so a pulse width of 30000 is set ,slow but reliable and the gibs need tweaked a bit
a second machine is on the bench fitted with brass gibs ,lapped slideways and
thrust bearings so we'll see if it makes much difference.
i run mine using finger collets i tried an ER25 collet chuck but the finish was not as good as the spindle collet , maybe you could try one as an experiment.

anoel
03-15-2005, 10:03 AM
I ended up doing a 2:1 reduction on my steppers. And like the results much better. There's a yahoo group that discusses CNCing this mill.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hf47158toCNC/

You can see pics of my 2:1 conversion in the RenegadeCNC folder in the Photos section. I ditched the leadscrew on the Z and made a new brass nut fot it. I ended up turning 1/2" - 10 Acme screw and using delrin nuts on the X-Y as well to make up for the 2:1 reduction losses too. (I'm going to remake these nuts out of brass soon) I ended up pulling the steppers and controller from this machine to use on my new router, I've got to replace them soon as I'm itching to cut metal again. Do you have a lathe? A lathe has been even more handy than having a mill lately.

itsme
03-15-2005, 11:33 AM
Hi there,

I also got a Micro Mill over the weekend. It is pretty decent and the quality is better than I expected. I spent a good 8 or 9 hours rebuilding it and setting it all up, and then proceeded to plug it in and give it its first run. Would you believe that I turned the switch on and...wait for it...nothing happened! I've tried all sorts and still nothing. What luck, they make thousands of these things and I end up getting the one that doesn't work...so it's back to the supplier on Saturday (a 3 hour drive one-way) to have it sorted out.

Anoel, I see that you were saying that the X-Y setup on the Micro is not as good as the Mini Mill. My Micro Mill came with a different base to the American ones. I think it is the base that you can buy as an 'upgrade' to give you more y travel (I think (???) I've seen them at littlemachineshop.com, but may be wrong). It seems very good. The one thing that I do prefer about the Micro Mill compared to the Mini Mill is the fact that the table has got 3 t-slots and is a lot wider. I also think the z axis leadscrew setup is better on the Micro for a CNC conversion, although the actual leadscrew supplied with the machine is not as substantial as the leadscrews on the X and Y axes. The z leadscrew should be easy to change though.

I can't wait to get my conversion done. I've got some 250ozin motors, a Xylotex unipolar board and a computer waiting - I just need a power supply (and a spindle that actually rotates when turned on...). I can't wait to start cutting metal. I have so many things I want to make!

Regards
Warren

anoel
03-15-2005, 11:40 AM
You've got to have the speed control all the way off til it clicks and then turn on the switch then turn the speed knob up. Otherwise it won't turn on. If it still won't turn on check the fuse.

itsme
03-15-2005, 12:29 PM
Hi there,

Believe me, I've tried everything without taking the board apart to try and get it to work. The green power light comes on when the forward/reverse switch is turned on, but nothing else happens when I turn the speed control up. If I turn the forward/reverse switch on without the speed control being fully off, the 'unnormal' light comes on, which I'm guessing is normal. I've tried a new fuse and still nothing. I've checked the brushes on the motor and they're fine. When the power is on, the chuck is more difficult to turn in one direction than the other, but it still won't turn on. It's a hassle, but I'll have to get it fixed.

Regards
Warren

anoel
03-15-2005, 12:55 PM
Just checking. It took me a minute to catch the spindle switching. as I rarely read manuals.

strat
03-15-2005, 04:54 PM
right before i moved i picked up on a grizzly 9 x 19 i haven't even thought about doing it cnc yet i got it for $400 so the price was right and it has lots of add on goodies with it the main thing i was after the mill for is i wanted to take a wack at cutting sheet metal to make humbucker bases not sure if this is the best way but i figured i could at least give it a try

almost forgot thanks for the link !!!!

anoel
03-15-2005, 05:02 PM
Standard humbucker base plates are pretty cheap... You can get them from All-Parts for a bit of nothing. Then again I kind of like the way that Tom Anderson does them with the flat brass plate His are stamped. (I like his bobbins too, Wire eyelet in each corner, makes attaching a the lead wire way easier than the traditional method. I've done it a few times and HATE it.)

It'd be pretty cool to machine bases out of brass with the spacer(s) machined in. And to engrave a Logo in the base.

strat
03-16-2005, 11:55 PM
well i ask this at the yahoo fourm and no responce yet so i will plant it here too not against the moment of the whole head but why not just attach stepper to side and move the quill ??????? for most the cuts i will be messin with i prob. wont need the full run of the z axis and if i mount to the side i would still be able to lift/drop the head if needed

anoel
03-16-2005, 11:59 PM
Cause the Quill is a piece of garbage and there is not enough travel. You really need to lock the quill to get any thing remotely close to removing the chatter from cutting.

strat
03-17-2005, 12:52 AM
thanks much ..... i thought that might be it but wasn't sure