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CROSSHATCH
12-05-2007, 02:46 PM
Ok, So some of you may remember my drainage system for my Taig Milling Machine. Well, I am a perfectionist and I hated the way the machine looked and I hated the fact that it was going to be very difficult to then build an enclosure around the whole Pan.

I went to Lowes last night with $10 off for a 25.00 purchase: Did some shopping-Got a Mortar Tub, Hosing and some other stuff. I was so sick of that old system, I had to do something. I got home around 11:30Pm and from then on, I spent hours working in there till 2:15 am.

Here is my Old Yucky system :(
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/SpeedsCustom/Picture049.jpg
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww


My new System: My Drainage needs a little work as far as sealing, I sealed it up but there was a major leak and don't really know why, but i'll have to add more caulking. Other then that, it does drain and the power of the pump is just where I want it!
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/SpeedsCustom/new8.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/SpeedsCustom/new6.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/SpeedsCustom/New.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/SpeedsCustom/new1.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/SpeedsCustom/new2.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/SpeedsCustom/new3.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/SpeedsCustom/new4.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/SpeedsCustom/new5.jpg




Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz7bUJvuw-Y

CROSSHATCH
12-05-2007, 02:49 PM
I'm going to pu the video up in a few minutes:) It's not done yet, I still have too make room for my Steppers for the CNC and everything else, but it's a great start and looks awesome!

-Speed

CROSSHATCH
12-05-2007, 03:58 PM
I have found the leak! Last night, or this morning...When I was working on my machine, I had to relocate the machine more towards the center of the bench. Doing so, I had to drill more hole underneath the bench to run the bolts to from table-top to the mill. I accidentally drilled the wrong hole yesterday (Knowing I did after)...But did not know I penetrated the Tub. Well when I did my test, water came gushing out of from underneath the table-top, I had no idea why until 20 minutes ago. All the way underneath the Mill, there was 1/4 inch hole cut and not sealed! Water ran into the hole and just poured, I cleaned the area and filled it with the caulk I was using. Should be good, I'll give a day too dry! Very happy that I finished that, because the water drained just as planned into my tank!

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/SpeedsCustom/cauk2.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/SpeedsCustom/caulk.jpg
Not taking any chances lol!

-Speed

tikka308
12-05-2007, 04:28 PM
Good stuff! Thanks for posting.

Is it tough to turn the y-axis with the tub wall in the way?

CROSSHATCH
12-05-2007, 04:37 PM
Tikka, Just bit...But doesn't matter because the entire machine is going to be CNC'd within a week or so. So...Yea :) But I can still get my hands in there.

I love the looks, I'm all about looks and how things fit together, the mill and this, fit together just right :)

I'll be starting my enclosure soon but will just build around this. Plus I have about 6 inches on the right to have my pump and tools ! So happy!


Please Post Comments :)
-JAson

tikka308
12-05-2007, 04:42 PM
Glad to hear you're going CNC. Have you got your controller package together yet?

How the hell are you going to fit a servo/stepper & coupler on the Y axis??

frank02189
12-05-2007, 07:52 PM
Hi
My setup that took a while to find all the items but worth the hassle.
thanks
frank

Anokiernan
12-05-2007, 09:47 PM
It's tough to tell from the vid but it looks like your just using plain water in your system. I would highly recommend that you don't do this. The taig's fasteners and ground steel components will corrode rather quickly if not dried off thoroughly after each use which will become very tedious. I use Cool Mist 77 in my flood cooling setup, so far with outstanding results, great bang for the buck

CROSSHATCH
12-05-2007, 10:01 PM
Tikka I'm going to make slots (cut outs) and then reshape a box around them, otherwise they wouldn't fit.

Frank-Thanks for sharing :)

Anokiernan- No No No, I just used plain water too test the system and drain, I wiped it all down after, I would never just use water :) I'm going to get some coolant, Duh :)

P.S. Very impressed on how the pressure it pumps, not only will it cool but it will clear chips (I hope :)


-Speed

CROSSHATCH
12-05-2007, 11:27 PM
I have a few ideas on the extensions outside of the Tub that will cover the Steppers but not completely figured out on exactly what I want to use: PVc pipe or something else :) We'll see!

Here is a Picture of the Manifold I designed and Machined with my Taig that is now the Manifold for the Coolant dispenser on the Headstock.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/SpeedsCustom/Picture076.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a96/SpeedsCustom/new6.jpg

ZipSnipe
12-05-2007, 11:33 PM
Big Improvement Jason, I knew you could come up with something better than your first incarnation. Thats usin the 'ole noggin!!!!

CROSSHATCH
12-05-2007, 11:53 PM
Thank you very much. Honestly though, I can't stand when things are NOT symmetrical or proportioned too each other. It was just so ugly! I'm still so amazed on how well it looks :) I <3 it. Plus it works, thats always good (nuts)

-Speed

digits
12-06-2007, 05:33 AM
That looks a lot better, but I still can't see why you need to drill holes through your tub. The Taig isn't heavy, couldn't you just put 100kg or so of breeze-blocks into the base of your tub, drill into but not through them, and then bolt the mill down to them?

My little X-1 has been bolted to a frame that just sits on some high friction rubber vibration damping mat - even when it's wet, I can torque up t-nuts on the table to breaking point without the mill moving.

I just worry that with all the vibration during milling, bolt holes will eventually shrug off their sealant and start leaking...

CROSSHATCH
12-06-2007, 10:32 AM
Digits, I did that because I felt it was the best, the plastic is very slippery and the Taig is very back heavy, it's very easy for the taig too lean back then it is forward. Personally, I felt it was best for this situation.


I use caulk along on the bolt threads and everywhere. It doesn't dry hard but rubbery so I assume it will take in some of the vibrations. Then Again, I don't think there should be all that much!

-Jason

project5k
12-06-2007, 01:30 PM
very much improved!! now all you have to do is work out how to collect and filter out the chips...

CROSSHATCH
12-06-2007, 03:08 PM
Yea...Collect chips, Vacuum lol....Yea still don't know what do do for the filter??? I'll think of something.

And thank for the compliment.

My new stuff came in, the last of the last! Woot! Woot!

-Jason

CROSSHATCH
12-09-2007, 01:17 AM
Ah, 2nd test with pump a great success, hole was filled and left to cure and finally sealed. I made a video, but not yet posted. Very happy.

-Speed

digits
12-10-2007, 06:40 AM
Digits, I did that because I felt it was the best, the plastic is very slippery and the Taig is very back heavy, it's very easy for the taig too lean back then it is forward. Personally, I felt it was best for this situation.


I use caulk along on the bolt threads and everywhere. It doesn't dry hard but rubbery so I assume it will take in some of the vibrations. Then Again, I don't think there should be all that much!

-Jason

Fair enough - it was only a suggestion. I think I'm probably just overly paranoid about leaks - having dismantled two of my previous table designs, I was amazed how much mold/damp there was, despite never having seen any leaks or noticed any missing coolant.

As for chip filters, I would suggest something fairly coarse - say 0.1" mesh, as you really, really want to stop drill swarf getting into your drainage pipes as even with big-bore pipes, it seems to form wire-wool plugs which eventually cause your coolant to back up. I don't really worry about the really fine chips - they seem to either float or form sediment in the bottom of my coolant sump, and the pump's intake is about 1-1.5" off the bottom, so they don't seem to cause any harm.

CROSSHATCH
12-10-2007, 10:55 AM
Yea, I'll need to get a filter going....I'll need to find the mesh and get this going! I most defiantly do not want swarf :) I'm also going to try and put a filter on where my pump takes in the coolant, that way....I have double the protection, yea!

-Speed

Anokiernan
12-10-2007, 05:45 PM
As far as filtration goes, here's what I use:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/anokiernan/CNC/IMG_1750.jpg
The pump and fluid are housed in the lower 5 gallon container. The upper 2 gallon container has a second half gallon container inside with a foam AC filter media draped and secured around the top of it. The half gallon container has holes along the bottom to allow the clean fluid through to the 2 gallon. Finally the 2 gallon container drains into the 5 gallon container. This allows for easy dumping of the chips, and the coolant stays nice and clean. My pump circulates the entire contents of the 5 gallon bucket in 1 minute and so far this filtration system has kept up with it flawlessly:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/anokiernan/CNC/IMG_1751.jpg

Lastly, this is just a little food for thought, something I just finished:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/anokiernan/CNC/IMG_1794.jpg
I designed the coolant manifold on the Z axis of my taig to have 2 outputs, each with a 1/4-20 screw regulating the flow through that nozzle. Unfortunately my latest parts shipment hasn't arrived yet so I only have the single nozzle on there now, but you get the idea ;) Lastly I left a provision to attach the other end of the rear neoprene cover so that it follows the Z axis. I've run into issues milling steels where a single chip would get in the gibs and bind the Z axis, poof there goes a 8 hour job... It's not done but getting there...

CROSSHATCH
12-10-2007, 06:19 PM
Very nice, I like your system, I just want too do it on a smaller scale. But very nice, would you say it's achievable on a smaller scale (Not using 5 Gallon buckets etc)


-Speed

Anokiernan
12-10-2007, 07:40 PM
definately doable on a smaller scale, the same filter media would work just fine too. You can get it at home depot for $2 for a big sheet of it, I folded it over a few times just for insurance since the stuff is so cheap. Just make sure whatever coolant container you use doesn't starve the pump after running for a while

CROSSHATCH
12-16-2007, 01:54 AM
Ok, So I haven't done too much too my enclosure, Alot of my money is going towards gifts for family, my lovely Girlfriend and yea you know, everyone BUT ME!

But once thats over, not to say I want it too be, cause I love Christmas! I will go back to buying my parts heh!

Can't wait really too finish the enclosure,

-Speed

CROSSHATCH
01-04-2008, 10:26 PM
Work will begin next week on the enclosure of my mill. Because the mill is in the corner of my shop. Only the right side and front will be plexi-glass. The back and left side of the enclosure will be wood and painted, or whatever I feel looks best!

Work will begin next week as I plan to get supplies for the drainage system as well! Should be fun, stay tuned!

-Speed

tikka308
01-05-2008, 01:43 PM
Looking forward to seeing it! Get some pictures up when you can!

CROSSHATCH
01-15-2008, 06:58 PM
Pictures too come tomorrow. For the most part, I have everything down. But when I tested the filtration system yesterday. I was a little displeased too know that very little chips were back in my coolant. But I justify this for only having half an inch of the humidifier pad in. I'm going too triple it, maybe even more. But I think it will be fine.


-Speed