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Tim Schoenhals
03-20-2018, 05:01 PM
Hello everyone.

I bought an XZero Viper XY 24x48 from George a few years ago. I have been traveling constantly for work and hadn't had the time to really dive in and commit time to getting it going. Well.... I received 5 out of 5 boxes that were shipped so I thought I was good. I discovered that I'm missing the large aluminum plate that connects the gantry uprights together and the dust boot I paid extra for.

I have read that George has had some health problems. I have tried several times to email him and contact him through Facebook and have not had any response.

Does anyone have any thoughts on where I could at least get the aluminum plate? I can buy another dust boot but need this plate to finish assembly. I guess I could make one as a last resort.

Any thoughts would be VERY appreciated!

ihavenofish
03-20-2018, 05:33 PM
Hello everyone.

I bought an XZero Viper XY 24x48 from George a few years ago. I have been traveling constantly for work and hadn't had the time to really dive in and commit time to getting it going. Well.... I received 5 out of 5 boxes that were shipped so I thought I was good. I discovered that I'm missing the large aluminum plate that connects the gantry uprights together and the dust boot I paid extra for.

I have read that George has had some health problems. I have tried several times to email him and contact him through Facebook and have not had any response.

Does anyone have any thoughts on where I could at least get the aluminum plate? I can buy another dust boot but need this plate to finish assembly. I guess I could make one as a last resort.

Any thoughts would be VERY appreciated!


i assume you mean the plate that goes behind the gantry axis. its been a while since i looked at a viper. can you post a few pics of what you have?

Tim Schoenhals
03-20-2018, 10:08 PM
i assume you mean the plate that goes behind the gantry axis. its been a while since i looked at a viper. can you post a few pics of what you have?

Yes that’s exactly the plate I mean..... you will see it missing in the pic attached.

Thanks!

Tim Schoenhals
03-21-2018, 02:40 PM
My guess is the plate would be 24"x5.5" .... maybe 24"x6". The 3 holes on each side are 1.25" apart.

It's unfortunate that it's missing these parts. It seems to be a very well built machine.

Qicker306
03-22-2018, 02:36 PM
I think it was mentioned previously that user Ryanscustom on CNCZone was affiliated with XZero, I suspect they used to machine the parts for XZero. Could be worth a PM to see if they might be able to dig up an old part file based on your measurements and machine it for you. I know the documentation (or lack there of) that George provides with his machines could make it difficult to track down the part number.

ihavenofish
03-22-2018, 05:05 PM
yeah, pm him first, see if he can help. its a straight up plain plate with 6 holes though, 3/8" thick or so. just prevents twisting side to side. would be easy to make your own from 6061 or better, mic6 if it came to that.

note, everything is metric on these, so i you think its 1.25", its likely 32mm, etc etc.

Ryanscustom
03-23-2018, 07:52 AM
I have had many of George's customers contact me over the last year and a half. I have tried to help as many as I could. I will just put this out there.....I am a machine shop and George was my customer. I have no contact with him now. The last few times I tried to call him, his phone was disconnected.

I have no ballscrews, rails, dust boots, cable chain, bearings, or electronics. I have a few spare parts and partial machines that I would like to sell to recoup some of my losses. Other then that, if I can help by sending you a drawing for a part , or some information I will do that. But, I am not Xzero and I have no customer information on what was shipped and what wasn't. I hope this helps.

Steve

Tim Schoenhals
03-23-2018, 08:06 AM
Hey Steve,

Thanks for the reply. I sent you a PM yesterday. If you check that PM I think you'll understand that I wasn't trying to get anything from you for free and don't expect you to know what was/wasn't shipped. I'm simply trying to find the parts I need in the quickest/least costly way possible. If you have what I need from a partial machine that could be great for both of us.

Check that PM and hopefully we can help each other out.

Thanks!
Tim

Ryanscustom
03-23-2018, 08:17 AM
Hey Steve,

Thanks for the reply. I sent you a PM yesterday. If you check that PM I think you'll understand that I wasn't trying to get anything from you for free and don't expect you to know what was/wasn't shipped. I'm simply trying to find the parts I need in the quickest/least costly way possible. If you have what I need from a partial machine that could be great for both of us.

Check that PM and hopefully we can help each other out.

Thanks!
Tim

Sorry Tim, I wasn't implying that anyone was looking for something for free. Sorry if it came off that way. I sent you a PM earlier. Check you inbox.

Steve

Ryanscustom
03-23-2018, 08:26 AM
For some reason I am having trouble sending PM's.

The plate you are looking for was an option on the first generations of that machine. While it adds a little rigidity, it is not necessary for the operation of the machine. I could make you one, but it would not be cost effective. If you give me your email, I will send you the DXF file for the plate and you can make it your first project.

As for the dust boot, I did not make those so I don't have a drawing for them. I think at one point George offered the files up for those. You might want to check on the forum to see if anyone has them

I hope this helps.

Steve

ihavenofish
03-23-2018, 09:58 AM
the dust boot was made by someone on the forum i think.... i cant remember who.

Qicker306
03-23-2018, 10:33 AM
I have had many of George's customers contact me over the last year and a half. I have tried to help as many as I could. I will just put this out there.....I am a machine shop and George was my customer. I have no contact with him now. The last few times I tried to call him, his phone was disconnected.

I have no ballscrews, rails, dust boots, cable chain, bearings, or electronics. I have a few spare parts and partial machines that I would like to sell to recoup some of my losses. Other then that, if I can help by sending you a drawing for a part , or some information I will do that. But, I am not Xzero and I have no customer information on what was shipped and what wasn't. I hope this helps.

Steve

Could be worthwhile starting a separate thread with a list of parts/machines you have available.

Tim Schoenhals
03-23-2018, 03:05 PM
Thanks to all of you for the help. Steve was nice enough to send me the file for the part so I know the exact dimensions now.

I believe the dust boot George used was from KentCNC.

Now back to work on getting this thing together!

Tim Schoenhals
04-11-2018, 04:29 AM
I started making some good progress and then..... ughhhh????? what?!

I finished assembling the y-axis for my machine and went to slide it onto the rails and the y-axis is about 20mm too narrow to slide onto the rails. I'm not talking about the linear bearing blocks being too small. The actual assembled y-axis is too narrow to slide onto the rails which are mounted to the table.

When I purchased the machine George said that he had one left that had been upgraded to 30mm Thomson rails. It almost seems like he gave me a table for a machine with upgraded 30mm rails but gave me a y axis for a machine with regular rails. Just a guess.....

Now I'm at a loss of what to do. I'm starting to think this might be a scrap it and start over situation.... so bummed.

I'll try to get pictures tomorrow.

Any direction or thoughts would be amazing!

Thanks.

ihavenofish
04-11-2018, 07:57 AM
I started making some good progress and then..... ughhhh????? what?!

I finished assembling the y-axis for my machine and went to slide it onto the rails and the y-axis is about 20mm too narrow to slide onto the rails. I'm not talking about the linear bearing blocks being too small. The actual assembled y-axis is too narrow to slide onto the rails which are mounted to the table.

When I purchased the machine George said that he had one left that had been upgraded to 30mm Thomson rails. It almost seems like he gave me a table for a machine with upgraded 30mm rails but gave me a y axis for a machine with regular rails. Just a guess.....

Now I'm at a loss of what to do. I'm starting to think this might be a scrap it and start over situation.... so bummed.

I'll try to get pictures tomorrow.

Any direction or thoughts would be amazing!

Thanks.


would be the reverse. if the machine was configured for 30mm rails, the base would be narrower.

ill wait for the pics to give any suggestions on how to fix.

Tim Schoenhals
04-11-2018, 02:28 PM
would be the reverse. if the machine was configured for 30mm rails, the base would be narrower.

ill wait for the pics to give any suggestions on how to fix.

Ah I see. So maybe the base is right but he sent me the wrong parts to get the right width on the y axis.

Here are some pics. I just mocked it up for reference.

ihavenofish
04-11-2018, 02:36 PM
oof. so, the rails on the gantry, are they also 30mm, or are they 25mm?

i am trying to think what is easiest to fix here (with no george help). what tools do you have?

Tim Schoenhals
04-11-2018, 02:53 PM
The X rails are 30mm, the gantry rails are 25mm and the z are 20mm..... so I got a little of everything.

Tool wise I have a pretty extensive wood working shop but no milling or metal working stuff.

Qicker306
04-11-2018, 02:53 PM
Looks like there may be enough room to have the linear bearing mounts machined down in order to move the the rails outwards and closer to the gantry uprights. This could be accomplished by a small machine shop with a manual mill, square the mounts up in a vice and face them off the required amount. Would require some careful measuring though to determine the amount to remove.

ihavenofish
04-11-2018, 03:01 PM
Looks like there may be enough room to have the linear bearing mounts machined down in order to move the the rails outwards and closer to the gantry uprights. This could be accomplished by a small machine shop with a manual mill, square the mounts up in a vice and face them off the required amount. Would require some careful measuring though to determine the amount to remove.

this seems like a poor choice, too much room to mess up. even being out .0002" across the face will project that error.

im not really sure how this mess of parts is possible. weird. can you confirm the gantry ball screw is not also too short and the back plat on the gantry lines up? i imagine it does, but we cant see it :)

easiest solution is to pocket the end frames wider on one side. leave the other alone. but youll need a mill and larg-ish vise for this.

proper solution is to cut the gantry rails shorter. but youll have to re thread the ends, the cut the back plate, and possibly shorten the ball screw. so may not be doable.

Tim Schoenhals
04-11-2018, 03:30 PM
this seems like a poor choice, too much room to mess up. even being out .0002" across the face will project that error.

im not really sure how this mess of parts is possible. weird. can you confirm the gantry ball screw is not also too short and the back plat on the gantry lines up? i imagine it does, but we cant see it :)

easiest solution is to pocket the end frames wider on one side. leave the other alone. but youll need a mill and larg-ish vise for this.

proper solution is to cut the gantry rails shorter. but youll have to re thread the ends, the cut the back plate, and possibly shorten the ball screw. so may not be doable.

Then gantry ball screw doesn’t seem too short. This is my first CNC bios obviously so I may be wrong. Take a look at the pics and let me know what you think.

As far as the back plate.... there isn’t one. That was actually what started this thread. It seems that George left that part as well as a couple of others out.

ihavenofish
04-11-2018, 03:36 PM
yeah that looks fine.

hmmmmm.

i dont have a good solution here thats easy for you to do on your own without causing even more trouble.. i wonder what it would cost steve to machine new end frames made to the right width. hmmmm...

Tim Schoenhals
04-11-2018, 04:07 PM
I sent Steve and email. I'll post back when I hear from him.

Thanks so much for all the help! Pretty bummed that George sent this machine out this way. It's costing me way more time and money than it should but hey..... isn't your first machine supposed to be hard? :D

ihavenofish
04-11-2018, 04:12 PM
Ha, well, usually not this hard :P

Im waiting for when cnc's get to the "take out of box, plug in, hit make part button and 15 seconds later.. part!"

i think ill be waiting a while. ;x

Tim Schoenhals
04-11-2018, 06:18 PM
I feel like the Shaper Origin is heading that direction :)

I bought one but haven't had time to mess around with it yet.

Ryanscustom
04-11-2018, 09:24 PM
It looks like you have a mismatched gantry and base. I will have to go into the wayback machine and see what I can figure out. To everyone that has PMed me lately, I'm sorry if I'm a bit late to respond. I have a small machine shop that is currently slammed. I will do my best to get back to you and help out where I can.

Steve

mactec54
04-12-2018, 05:58 PM
Then gantry ball screw doesn’t seem too short. This is my first CNC bios obviously so I may be wrong. Take a look at the pics and let me know what you think.

As far as the back plate.... there isn’t one. That was actually what started this thread. It seems that George left that part as well as a couple of others out.

Roughly how much would it take to get the bottom rail to fit???

How far do the to top 2 Gantry rails, pocket into the arms, if they are like 1/2" deep, you could make 4 round spacers to space it out by the right amount, ( a little for each side ) you would then need a spacer for one side of the Ballscrew mount and a spacer for one side for the bottom extrusion mount , then make the new Back plate to suit for the wider Gantry frame, this is your cheapest fix, as you have to get the back plate anyway

If you need help I could make these spacers for you, the back plate is easy you can do that with a drill press

Tim Schoenhals
11-15-2018, 11:19 PM
Hey mactec54!

I really appreciate your help on this. After some measurements, this seems like the spacer idea may not work.
The bottom rail is about 8mm out of the hole. The holes that the gantry rails pocket into are only 3.8mm deep and the recess for the bottom extrusion mount is only about 2.7mm deep.

Based on that, would you think that remaking the end pieces for the base is the only option?

Thanks again.

Tim Schoenhals
11-15-2018, 11:50 PM
I guess I could also get the bearing blocks machined down 4mm each to make the rails line up. They may have just enough meat that it could work.

https://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=406030&stc=1

Tim Schoenhals
11-15-2018, 11:59 PM
Reading back through the thread it looks like Qicker306 (https://www.cnczone.com/forums/members/qicker306.html) actually suggested that but ihavenofish (https://www.cnczone.com/forums/members/ihavenofish.html) didn't love the idea and said there was too much room for error.

ihavenofish (https://www.cnczone.com/forums/members/ihavenofish.html) mentioned having a machine shop mill the pocket that the bearing blocks go in deeper.... but, after some measuring, doing that would leave basically no material in the screw holes for the bolts that hold the bearing blocks.

Hopefully I'm missing seeing the easy option that will solve it all.... hehe.

mactec54
11-16-2018, 08:04 AM
Reading back through the thread it looks like Qicker306 (https://www.cnczone.com/forums/members/qicker306.html) actually suggested that but ihavenofish (https://www.cnczone.com/forums/members/ihavenofish.html) didn't love the idea and said there was too much room for error.

ihavenofish (https://www.cnczone.com/forums/members/ihavenofish.html) mentioned having a machine shop mill the pocket that the bearing blocks go in deeper.... but, after some measuring, doing that would leave basically no material in the screw holes for the bolts that hold the bearing blocks.

Hopefully I'm missing seeing the easy option that will solve it all.... hehe.

So I may not be seeing / reading this incorrect, but what you are saying is the main frame is to wide for the gantry, is the main frame altogether and complete post as many photos of what you have, I have worked on these machines before so know them although I did not do any of the round rail machines, there really is not much difference when it comes to making something to fit

mactec54
11-16-2018, 09:46 AM
Tim Schoenhals

Reply from the other thread I've been traveling for work most of this year so I wasn't ever able to invest any time into fixing my machine

That's being busy are you on the road music wise if so what type of music do you play