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dasilvaboards
10-12-2015, 02:22 PM
Hello, I am new to the forums and after posting in another thread asking for advice, I was kindly directed to have a look at Xzero. I studied the forum here and looked for other info online, liked what I did see, but haven't been able to find too much info.. so I'll just go ahead and ask if that's alright:

I own a small skateboard (http://www.amazon.com/gp/search?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&index=aps&keywords=skateboard&linkCode=ur2) company in Israel, that specializes in composite decks - wooden cores wrapped in carbon fiber and fiberglass, with urethane inserts. Very similar to the way wakeboards or kiteboards are constructed. I have been in business for a couple years and growing nicely, and have come to the point where I would like to upgrade to my own cnc machine.
After doing some research online and talking to people, it seems that a kit is the best way to go with my budget (around 10,000$ - including shipping to Israel, spindle and electronics). I had a look at the Xzero website and on the forums here and seems like the raptor 30x60 or 30x48 will suit my needs, but might consider something bigger if it's within budget.
I am an industrial designerand have some engineering background, pretty good understanding of mechanics and several years of CAD (Solidworks mainly, some Rhino) experience, but have not operated a cnc before. Hope this won't be too big a project to put together.

My questions are:

1. Will this machine be able to handle cutting 12-15 skateboards (http://viglink.pgpartner.com/rd.php?r=885&m=855262814&q=n&rdgt=1444582265&it=1445014265&et=1445187065&priceret=54.99&pg=~~3&k=7a8abf4af15f8c60601e686765ce81f0&source=feed&url=http%3A%2F%2Fclickserve%2Edartsearch%2Enet%2Flink%2Fclick%3Flid%3D92700008545227802%26ds%5Fs%5Fkwgid%3D58700000778572750%26ds%5Fs%5Finventory%5Ffeed%5Fid%3D97700000001734779%26ds%5Fe%5Fproduct%5Fid%3D14320519%26ci%5Fcustomer%5Fid%3D1001010%26ci%5Fcse%5Fid%3D1007%26ci%5Ffeed%5Fid%3D1001031%26ds%5Fe%5Fproduct%5Fcountry%3DUS%26ds%5Fe%5Fproduct%5Flanguage%3Den%26ds%5Fe%5Fproduct%5Fchannel%3Donline%26ds%5Furl%5Fv%3D2%26ds%5Fdest%5Furl%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Ftarget%2Erdr%2Echannelintelligence%2Ecom%2Fgo%2Easp%253FfVhzOC8fBggESSNjW1BZQxRvHT92Z1EABEwDZ2pcWxdDXSJXNzAjFx0fR0AofBsCGRREKhFHUElsNHxdR15ZSzc3HU4YGEAqQSErMl9WQx1KMCcDTggcTC5TJjA2AEFbUEQ6MAACGRcMbQ4LEgsCaWIZAQIAAG5rUBEOFRwqQzcbMklEb2hlD2NfU1tCBx95CgBuXUBZU1I4IA4BCRZTAVtCGWgNCW4cBgMCCGpjVkUoI28ZGRA0PF9GQxZ1FhZSUl8DRTgZMDYwTl1UVA08OwY8XkQZagcVCQIgND1OXVRVCGMxAwoIGEg6C30%253D%2526nAID%253D5784816&st=feed&mt=~~~~~~~~n~~~) a day (carbon fiber/fiberglass)? I need good repeatability.
2. The decks I will be cutting are curved in all sorts of ways, not flat. Will this pose a problem with a machine like (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?toolid=10029&campid=CAMPAIGNID&customid=CUSTOMID&catId=2984&type=2&ext=321877172594&item=321877172594) this one? don't have anything that's curved more than 3", so as far as gantry clearance shouldn't worry right?
3. Is there a "plug & play" electronics system available? I haven't wired anything like this before and don't mind paying a little for the peace of mind it's been done right.

I'll be looking forward to hearing some thoughts,

Cheers!

Ben

ger21
10-12-2015, 04:49 PM
1) I'm not really sure what your concern is? Speed or durability? Virtually any CNC machine can cut repeatable parts, over and over, day after day.
Are you cutting through carbon fiber and fiberglass, or is that applied after cutting out the deck? Carbon fiber and fiberglass are very abrasive materials to cut with a router, and often require specialized tooling.

2) If you're cutting the deck in one operation, be aware that the edges will all be perpendicular to the table, so they will be angles in relation to the deck in some areas. Your biggest concern may be in creating the toolpaths to follow the curvature.

3) Electronics are not exclusive to any one machine. You can use a kit from CNC Router Parts or from Automation Technologies. There are probably similar companies on europe that offer similar packages.

dasilvaboards
10-12-2015, 05:11 PM
Again, thank you for the quick reply!

I will be cutting through cured carbon fiber/fiberglass applied to the wooden core - I have been doing that on a router table with a 2kw router and templates (cut on a cnc) manually for a while. There's a high quality endmill manufacturer just a couple blocks down the road from my shop, and their cutters have served me well so not worried about that.
I am concerned about the machine durability, meaning will it be able to handle cutting for a couple hours a day, and not develop 'fatigue' (as happens to me when I'm cutting manually haha). Speed is not so much a concern, as long as it's not excruciatingly slow.

And appreciate your answer on the electronics, that is the one part of this project where I don't feel confident enough in my own ability yet.

Cheers!

Ben

bhurts
10-12-2015, 05:47 PM
In all reality these machines do not get tired in any way. They should also be much faster then you are by hand if setup and fixtured properly.

Ben

gio666
10-13-2015, 12:47 AM
Hello, I am new to the forums and after posting in another thread asking for advice, I was kindly directed to have a look at Xzero. I studied the forum here and looked for other info online, liked what I did see, but haven't been able to find too much info.. so I'll just go ahead and ask if that's alright:

I own a small skateboard (http://www.amazon.com/gp/search?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&index=aps&keywords=skateboard&linkCode=ur2) company in Israel, that specializes in composite decks - wooden cores wrapped in carbon fiber and fiberglass, with urethane inserts. Very similar to the way wakeboards or kiteboards are constructed. I have been in business for a couple years and growing nicely, and have come to the point where I would like to upgrade to my own cnc machine.
After doing some research online and talking to people, it seems that a kit is the best way to go with my budget (around 10,000$ - including shipping to Israel, spindle and electronics). I had a look at the Xzero website and on the forums here and seems like the raptor 30x60 or 30x48 will suit my needs, but might consider something bigger if it's within budget.
I am an industrial designerand have some engineering background, pretty good understanding of mechanics and several years of CAD (Solidworks mainly, some Rhino) experience, but have not operated a cnc before. Hope this won't be too big a project to put together.

My questions are:

1. Will this machine be able to handle cutting 12-15 skateboards (http://viglink.pgpartner.com/rd.php?r=885&m=855262814&q=n&rdgt=1444582265&it=1445014265&et=1445187065&priceret=54.99&pg=~~3&k=7a8abf4af15f8c60601e686765ce81f0&source=feed&url=http%3A%2F%2Fclickserve%2Edartsearch%2Enet%2Flink%2Fclick%3Flid%3D92700008545227802%26ds%5Fs%5Fkwgid%3D58700000778572750%26ds%5Fs%5Finventory%5Ffeed%5Fid%3D97700000001734779%26ds%5Fe%5Fproduct%5Fid%3D14320519%26ci%5Fcustomer%5Fid%3D1001010%26ci%5Fcse%5Fid%3D1007%26ci%5Ffeed%5Fid%3D1001031%26ds%5Fe%5Fproduct%5Fcountry%3DUS%26ds%5Fe%5Fproduct%5Flanguage%3Den%26ds%5Fe%5Fproduct%5Fchannel%3Donline%26ds%5Furl%5Fv%3D2%26ds%5Fdest%5Furl%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Ftarget%2Erdr%2Echannelintelligence%2Ecom%2Fgo%2Easp%253FfVhzOC8fBggESSNjW1BZQxRvHT92Z1EABEwDZ2pcWxdDXSJXNzAjFx0fR0AofBsCGRREKhFHUElsNHxdR15ZSzc3HU4YGEAqQSErMl9WQx1KMCcDTggcTC5TJjA2AEFbUEQ6MAACGRcMbQ4LEgsCaWIZAQIAAG5rUBEOFRwqQzcbMklEb2hlD2NfU1tCBx95CgBuXUBZU1I4IA4BCRZTAVtCGWgNCW4cBgMCCGpjVkUoI28ZGRA0PF9GQxZ1FhZSUl8DRTgZMDYwTl1UVA08OwY8XkQZagcVCQIgND1OXVRVCGMxAwoIGEg6C30%253D%2526nAID%253D5784816&st=feed&mt=~~~~~~~~n~~~) a day (carbon fiber/fiberglass)? I need good repeatability.
2. The decks I will be cutting are curved in all sorts of ways, not flat. Will this pose a problem with a machine like (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?toolid=10029&campid=CAMPAIGNID&customid=CUSTOMID&catId=2984&type=2&ext=321877172594&item=321877172594) this one? don't have anything that's curved more than 3", so as far as gantry clearance shouldn't worry right?
3. Is there a "plug & play" electronics system available? I haven't wired anything like this before and don't mind paying a little for the peace of mind it's been done right.

I'll be looking forward to hearing some thoughts,

Cheers!

Ben

What your looking to do easy easily done .
Repeatability and accuracy are also great because of use of ballscrews and profile railing.
It would depend on what motor kit you want to use. Leadshine motor kits are very easy to wire up. its 4 wires to motors from driver.
Also the easy servos can be set up with limited wiring skills.
Raptor or Predator will cut a high speed for what you are looking to do .
The Predator is a larger machine 40 inch wide and all in one inch aluminum . Raptor is 24 and 30 inch wide and all in 3/4 inch aluminum.
How many a day depends also on spindle you want to use and fixture you have .

dasilvaboards
10-13-2015, 03:14 AM
Thank you for the fast replies, these forums are great!

gio666, These machine kits look like exactly what I need. Just sent you an email through Xzero website for more info and shipping quotes, please let me know if there's a better way to get a hold of you.

If I were to go with larger NEMA 34 motors, shouldn't be a problem to mount right? or is this unnecessary and should just stick with NEMA 23?

And I plan to go with a 2.2kw Chinese spindle, either air or water cooled - any recommendations?

Cheers!