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troy_wood
05-08-2013, 10:11 PM
This forum is quiet - where is everyone?

fastboats1
07-19-2013, 09:18 AM
I am a new owner of a 4896 ATC in Florida

duraflap
10-29-2013, 01:06 AM
I'm a new to me owner of a 2012 4816 Shop Sabre in Grants Pass, Oregon.
I'm just setting up this machine for my business and I'm lovin it! The support at Shop Sabre are filling in all the blanks that come with a used machine. They are great!

Pat2015
04-07-2015, 10:44 AM
I'm thinking of buying a Shop Sabre IS408 with a 4th axis indexer and digitizer for cabinet making. Can someone give me feedback on their experiences using 4th axis? Shop Sabre seems like a great company, but I would like to hear from actual customers. Thanks!

TampaVinyl
04-08-2015, 07:52 PM
I'm in Florida. We have a 4896. Anybody out there?

MKeyes
04-10-2015, 02:23 PM
Hey Pat2015, I'm ten days out form delivery of a new IS408. I opted for the 4th axis port but not the actual tool. Would also be curious to know how other owners are using theirs. Looking forward to getting to know machine.

Hypotenuse
05-02-2015, 11:00 PM
I have a 4896 due late May or early June. I ordered the 4th axis and 8 position ATC ( 5 with 3 free promo ). I have a 5 hp spindle set up for single phase.
I will be running out of a small garage space. Heading for the training on Tuesday, at least 14 hrs of driving. I have the T-slot table, but want a vacuum but pending research for a single phase set-up.

Nick90
06-01-2015, 03:36 PM
Glad I found you guys! I've been itching to talk to some other ShopSabre owners

I've got the 4896 and have owned it for almost a year now. Located in central Michigan.

I had never seen a CNC in person until we got ours a year ago. I know a lot more now, but still have a lot to learn.

Looking forward to talking with all of you.

Nick

TampaVinyl
06-02-2015, 07:43 AM
Hey Nick!

What software are you using with your machine?

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I have a 4896 due late May or early June. I ordered the 4th axis and 8 position ATC ( 5 with 3 free promo ). I have a 5 hp spindle set up for single phase.
I will be running out of a small garage space. Heading for the training on Tuesday, at least 14 hrs of driving. I have the T-slot table, but want a vacuum but pending research for a single phase set-up.

How did the training go?

Nick90
06-02-2015, 09:22 AM
Hey Nick!

What software are you using with your machine?


Hello there,

I'm using VCarve Pro7 with a WinCNC controller.

Hypotenuse
06-03-2015, 07:44 AM
I didn't learn much at the training session. They went over V-carve pro but I already have Aspire and quite capable with it. It was a 1350 km drive for me but me and my girls made a trip out of it. They enjoyed shopping at Mall of America while I was at the course.
I have heard the same of the Camaster course, doesn't seem to benefit experienced users.
My machine was due today ( 8-10 weeks ) but I don't think it's even in production yet. It was nice to see the manufacturing facilities and meet the crew all the same.
I was asking about the Shop Sabre forum advertised on their website but got the feeling they are too busy to even think about that.
While I have been waiting my favored supplier of dust collectors sold out of 3 and 5 hp units and only has a 2 hp Super Gorilla left. It does say suitable for use with one machine which I will be. Also uses less hydro .
I might have to call Oneida to see what they think.

MKeyes
06-22-2015, 10:34 AM
Hello Hypotenuse and Other Shop Sabre Owners,
It looks like this is our Shop Sabre forum... It would be great if there were more activity here. I am a new owner of an IS408: 12hp spindle, 20 hp vac, 5 tool ATC (really wish the 8 tool special had been going when I bought), VCarve Pro 8, Cut3d. Don't have a lot of time on the machine yet but so far the Tech Support has been there every time I needed them. I would be happy to share/read any experiences, knowledge, anecdotes, etc. anyone has time post. Having said this, I really don't know how some guys get any work done as much time as they spend on the forums...

Hypotenuse
06-22-2015, 11:18 AM
I'm still waiting will be 13 weeks Wednesday. They were delayed on servo drive amps from Mitsubishi I was told.. What are you using your machine for MK?

n1k86
06-22-2015, 05:08 PM
We just ordered an IS 510 with 5 station toolchanger setup, hopefully it doesn't take 13+ weeks to get here... I currently have a small benchtop machine but am really looking forward to this one. I do alot of 4th axis work, building wooden vises, but we plan to expand the product line and will almost certainly get into building high end workbenches among other woodworking tools. Our company is Lake Erie Toolworks. Up until this January it was operated out of a basement but a rental company started sectioning off an old warehouse into industrial units and we jumped at the opportunity; 14'+ ceilings, 1100 sqft, 3 phase power, loading docks, communal forklift. I'll try to stay active in the forum and do some updates when it arrives.

MKeyes
06-23-2015, 07:51 AM
Yeah, they went over the estimated delivery with us as well. But in all fairness I was out of town working when they wanted to deliver it the first time.
I build yacht interiors. Basically cabinets, furniture, trim, etc. for boats. Mostly new builds. I design and model in Autodesk Inventor. So far I am pleased with how well the Vectric software deals with the Inventor .dwg files.

Jay Smith
06-27-2015, 01:32 PM
Just wanted to let you know I have a shop in Hampton GA. Near the Atlanta Motor Speedway. I have had my 4896 machine for 3 years. I think I was the first one to order the 4th axis because it took a year after the delivery of the table before I received the rotary parts. I was not too pleased with the final product for the 4th axis. the support is pretty good with Ben. He has a lot of knowledge and his own machine. getting someone on the phone is almost non existent. they need more guys to help with the tech stuff. when the machine is down then production stops , so I learned to Google stuff while waiting for the return call, essentially they forced me to learn more than the average operator which was good for me because I have completed about 50% of the build on my new 4th axis machine. I believe I will get out the door for under 10k by DIY. the most costly will be the ATC when it is added later. it would be nice to have local owners that can help bounce ideas and problems they may have incurred off each other. let me know if you need help with anything.

Jay Smith
770-871-1213

Hypotenuse
06-28-2015, 08:15 AM
I was told my machine should hit the floor for testing and be ready to ship by the end of the week. I sure hope the 4th axis comes with it and I don't have to wait. I also hope it works half decent... : )
I'm placing mine in my garage attached to the house. This should make unloading interesting. It seems switching from the transport to a tilting flatbed car hauler works well. I talked to a sign shop a couple of blocks away
that have a forklift and boom trucks so we'll see how we end up getting it into the garage. I'll try to get pics and video.

Jay Smith
06-28-2015, 09:14 AM
mine was on skid. the semi truck hauled it long ways so we had to attach a strap to slide it off onto a dock. once it was off the truck I just added some extensions to the forks and picked it up from the side. I forgot to mention I added the plasma feature to my table which made it a bit heavier but a small 3500# lift had no problem with the entire skid. I have since made a platform on wheels. this allows me to move it with no problems anytime I want.

Hypotenuse did you get the router or the spindle?

I wanted the ATC but was maxed out when I added the plasma, engraver , and rotary axis features. I also got visual mill software. I later purchased the vacuum system from Shop Sabre and got a program to make my plenum board. I did my own holes and plumbing, and purchased an electronic ball valve to close the suction off and open from the computer. I can now turn on / off the vacuum pump, open / close the ball valve and turn on / off the dust collector all with a push button from my WINCNC screen or program it with my G-code to do these things automatically. I also added the touch pad to get z-zero since I change bits frequently.

Hypotenuse
06-28-2015, 09:41 AM
Thanks for the info Jay. I got a 5 Hp ATC spindle. I'm on single phase so that's pretty much my max.
Controlling the vacuum by WINCNC would be great, I guess one can set up their dust collector as well?
I know what you mean about budget, plus I have to deal with the exchange rate which adds thousands to the final tab for us Canucks.

MKeyes
06-28-2015, 12:05 PM
mine was on skid. the semi truck hauled it long ways so we had to attach a strap to slide it off onto a dock. once it was off the truck I just added some extensions to the forks and picked it up from the side. I forgot to mention I added the plasma feature to my table which made it a bit heavier but a small 3500# lift had no problem with the entire skid. I have since made a platform on wheels. this allows me to move it with no problems anytime I want.

Hypotenuse did you get the router or the spindle?

I wanted the ATC but was maxed out when I added the plasma, engraver , and rotary axis features. I also got visual mill software. I later purchased the vacuum system from Shop Sabre and got a program to make my plenum board. I did my own holes and plumbing, and purchased an electronic ball valve to close the suction off and open from the computer. I can now turn on / off the vacuum pump, open / close the ball valve and turn on / off the dust collector all with a push button from my WINCNC screen or program it with my G-code to do these things automatically. I also added the touch pad to get z-zero since I change bits frequently.
Awesome setup Jay. Like the electronic ball valve, etc. I had to use fork extensions to unload my machine as well. Basically a couple 2x12's... Worked but not real safe. Sat it four car wheel dollies to push it around the shop and used a floor jack to lift it off. Do you worry about leveling with a roller base?

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Hypotenuse
07-29-2015, 11:31 PM
Well CNC finally arrived last Friday and was able to transfer to a tilting flatbed and dump it into my garage. I initially thought I would slide the whole skid into the shop but with a 84" high opening the air assist would not clear.
So we just unloaded it up to the door and placed 2 x 8 runners on the garage floor. I jacked it up and placed leftover heavy wall closet rods under the sides of the CNC to roll it in.
We started with a come along but were able to just push it in manually after several rollers were in place. Busy assembling dust collector and electrician is coming Friday to connect.288324288326

MKeyes
08-09-2015, 04:17 PM
Well CNC finally arrived last Friday and was able to transfer to a tilting flatbed and dump it into my garage. I initially thought I would slide the whole skid into the shop but with a 84" high opening the air assist would not clear.
So we just unloaded it up to the door and placed 2 x 8 runners on the garage floor. I jacked it up and placed leftover heavy wall closet rods under the sides of the CNC to roll it in.
We started with a come along but were able to just push it in manually after several rollers were in place. Busy assembling dust collector and electrician is coming Friday to connect.288324288326
H, How's the new machine working out? Did you receive the 4th axis tooling? Have you done anything with it yet? Would love to see one in action.

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MKeyes
08-09-2015, 04:23 PM
Just wanted to let you know I have a shop in Hampton GA. Near the Atlanta Motor Speedway. I have had my 4896 machine for 3 years. I think I was the first one to order the 4th axis because it took a year after the delivery of the table before I received the rotary parts. I was not too pleased with the final product for the 4th axis. the support is pretty good with Ben. He has a lot of knowledge and his own machine. getting someone on the phone is almost non existent. they need more guys to help with the tech stuff. when the machine is down then production stops , so I learned to Google stuff while waiting for the return call, essentially they forced me to learn more than the average operator which was good for me because I have completed about 50% of the build on my new 4th axis machine. I believe I will get out the door for under 10k by DIY. the most costly will be the ATC when it is added later. it would be nice to have local owners that can help bounce ideas and problems they may have incurred off each other. let me know if you need help with anything.

Jay Smith
770-871-1213
Hey Jay, glad to know your out there and only a few hours away. I'm really interested to here more about what your doing with your 4th axis tooling. If you're building your own did the SS one not work out for you? Shout at me any time. I'm in Charleston area.
Michael Keyes
834 889 9932

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Hypotenuse
08-09-2015, 04:38 PM
I managed to do a few projects on it so far. Single stage compressor is running almost steady to keep up with the spindle air, even though its a 230v 15 amp 30 gal ingersol Rand. I have a 80 gal 2 stage coming Monday or Tuesday.
2nd project was a pair of stair stringers tiled on the Y axis. They turned out perfect, very happy with the suction of the 3 hp Super Gorilla dust collector.
Don't think I will get to the 4th axis for a bit, but here it is.. not even instructions on how to mount it. It's on .5 aluminum plate.289350

MKeyes
08-09-2015, 05:12 PM
I managed to do a few projects on it so far. Single stage compressor is running almost steady to keep up with the spindle air, even though its a 230v 15 amp 30 gal ingersol Rand. I have a 80 gal 2 stage coming Monday or Tuesday.
2nd project was a pair of stair stringers tiled on the Y axis. They turned out perfect, very happy with the suction of the 3 hp Super Gorilla dust collector.
Don't think I will get to the 4th axis for a bit, but here it is.. not even instructions on how to mount it. It's on .5 aluminum plate.289350
I've not seen one mounted and operating yet. But I understand it mounts on the table top... Curious to see how easy it its to set up. Good luck with yours and thanks for the picture. Keep us posted...

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MadMech65
08-20-2015, 02:09 PM
I ordered a Sidekick 8, 4x8 plasma w/ engraver and opt'ed for the duel gantry and wiring for rotor spindle/rotor capability back in June and still waiting for it to arrive. So excited to get up an running after wanting a CNC for over 10 years. I'm located in Melbourne, Florida. If anyone is near, I'm sure I could use a seasoned friend to bounce ideas off vice my head against the wall...lol! Also looking to buy a draw program and was wondering if anyone using Adobe Illustrator or CorelDraw 7? I'm looking to design vector images from drawings and photos for 2D applications.

DigitalOi
09-09-2015, 11:14 PM
Just ordered a Shopsabre IS 510. Lots of stuff to move in the shop before it's delivered!

n1k86
09-24-2015, 01:44 PM
Did your machine come in yet? We ordered an IS510 second half of June but at least they say it should ship out next week, so much for the 4-10 week leadtime. Oh well, I suppose. I may post some pictures of it when it arrives but I'll probably mostly be doing Instagram posts (lakeerietoolworks) . I have a rotary axis that I built for my current machine that we will be using with the shopsabre, they installed an extra driver for us; I'll try and post some pics of that as well.

DigitalOi
09-24-2015, 09:55 PM
No. We should have it in the first few weeks of December. This is our first cnc, so we didnt want to try and integrate during our busiest months. We went with 10hp spindle, 10 postiion atc, 25 hp vac, phenolic table, pop up pins, and the z setter. The indexer looks sweet, but I felt it would have been over my head to start off with. We will be going to the included training to get our feet wet.

n1k86
09-25-2015, 05:02 PM
That will be a nice setup, I assume you do a lot of sheet goods work? We went with a 5hp ATC and no vacuum table as we primarily do solid wood stuff and will be making our own fixtures and using some sort of vacuum pod setup (probably DIY). I still need to figure out which pump to get although I'm leaning toward one of the Becker oil-less setups.

MadMech65
09-26-2015, 02:41 AM
We ordered our machine 2ed week in June as well. Last minute to take advantage of the free shipping. It finally came in today and I couldn't be happier! Just need to take care of a few minor details with the Earth Ground and we should be off and running. And when I say details, I mean I still need to drive rods and do a test for my .075 volts. Fingers crossed!!

DigitalOi
09-28-2015, 06:23 AM
That will be a nice setup, I assume you do a lot of sheet goods work? We went with a 5hp ATC and no vacuum table as we primarily do solid wood stuff and will be making our own fixtures and using some sort of vacuum pod setup (probably DIY). I still need to figure out which pump to get although I'm leaning toward one of the Becker oil-less setups.


Yep. Cabinets and furniture. But now that we are getting a cnc, we want to break into cribbage boards! I have heard good things about becker rotary vanes.

Jay Smith
11-08-2015, 11:07 AM
I've not seen one mounted and operating yet. But I understand it mounts on the table top... Curious to see how easy it its to set up. Good luck with yours and thanks for the picture. Keep us posted...

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Hey I have been busy for a minute but wanted to see how things were going with the 4th axis?
I tried the number from the earlier post but it was not working.
let me know if you have any questions, I 'am currently working on the computer set up for my new machine. I wired up the control box this weekend and just connected it to the computer.
cannot wait until it is moving on its own.

myfinishingtouch
12-01-2015, 08:08 PM
I just bought a used 3636 and am setting it up in my shop. 30-hour round trip to get it but it was worth the drive.
Dave

StreamlineRich
01-22-2016, 11:43 AM
We have an RC8 coming in a few weeks that we're getting excited about. We're in Southwest Michigan.

Hypotenuse
01-22-2016, 01:01 PM
We have an RC8 coming in a few weeks that we're getting excited about. We're in Southwest Michigan.

What are you going to use your machine for? Just curious if you have any previous CNC experience.

StreamlineRich
01-22-2016, 02:17 PM
I have experience from a previous sign shop. We have our own sign and graphics shop in the walkout basement of our new home (designed with the shop in mind). We put a double door in order to get larger items in and out and went with 9' ceilings.
We already have a couple 54" plotter/printers, 24" plotter, 54" laminator/mounter. We want to expand our capabilities from just "soft goods" - cut/printed vinyl, banners, etc.

Hypotenuse
01-22-2016, 05:57 PM
I have experience from a previous sign shop. We have our own sign and graphics shop in the walkout basement of our new home (designed with the shop in mind). We put a double door in order to get larger items in and out and went with 9' ceilings.
We already have a couple 54" plotter/printers, 24" plotter, 54" laminator/mounter. We want to expand our capabilities from just "soft goods" - cut/printed vinyl, banners, etc.

Well shoot, you're going to be having fun the first day you get it running. That first cut is always an exciting moment.

StreamlineRich
01-25-2016, 08:30 AM
Well shoot, you're going to be having fun the first day you get it running. That first cut is always an exciting moment.

Yeah! Can't wait! It's taking a little longer than expected for delivery, but with the year-end and free shipping deals Shop Sabre has a LOT of orders to fill.

reblazek
01-26-2016, 10:23 AM
hello,
I'm new on this forum, so far my experience with this machine has been terrible. one moment the machine works 5 minutes later it doesn't. it goes to start a new cut and wont light up, it just moves around the patterns. out of all the years fabricating, I would never tell anyone to buy this machine.
now I'm hoping someone could help change my mind. we are a high school welding program that does first year apprenticeship. The machine was purchased for a School and all the money came from fund raising.
Any sugestions???????

StreamlineRich
01-26-2016, 10:30 AM
hello,
I'm new on this forum, so far my experience with this machine has been terrible. one moment the machine works 5 minutes later it doesn't. it goes to start a new cut and wont light up, it just moves around the patterns. out of all the years fabricating, I would never tell anyone to buy this machine.
now I'm hoping someone could help change my mind. we are a high school welding program that does first year apprenticeship. The machine was purchased for a School and all the money came from fund raising.
Any sugestions???????

What model machine do you have? Have you tried contacting Shop Sabre support? The machines come with lifetime support as far as I know...

reblazek
01-26-2016, 10:34 AM
side kick 4

StreamlineRich
01-26-2016, 11:02 AM
side kick 4

I'm not familiar with that machine. You really should contact them and have them help you figure out what's going on.
They claim "Lifetime Tech Support (phone, email, and pc to pc connectivity)"

http://shopsabre.com/contact.php

cabnet636
01-31-2016, 08:14 AM
If it is moving around as if it is running the file in the air, then you may have z settings wrong in software, these machines do what they are told no more no less.

best guess is you may be using vectric, does the z setting on file match wht the machine thinks ?

MikeFelitti
02-05-2016, 07:51 AM
I have started a ShopSabre 23 Users Group on Facebook...If you have a 23 Come Join Us https://www.facebook.com/groups/1141969885814946/

cncshootist
03-28-2016, 10:06 PM
New owner here... Castaic California.
Finally got my Sidekick 4x4 router and plasma table in, almost 2 months after promised. I know a jack of all trades is a master of none but I'm hopeful... and at the very least it fits in the small area I have. So far I hooked it up and it's working. Not to hijack but now I'm looking for information on what bits to buy for composite plastics, hardwood, and aluminum. Any PM recommendations for sizes, up down, feed speeds, reasonable sellers, etc would be greatly appreciated. I am kinda disappointed that the table didn't come with recommended values... Or maybe I just haven't found them yet.
314376

Hypotenuse
03-28-2016, 10:16 PM
I've had good experience shopping at Tools today Router bits, Saw blades, CNC Router Bits, Shaper Cutters & More (http://www.toolstoday.com/) Plenty of info on their site or you can contact them for recommendations.

cncshootist
03-28-2016, 10:47 PM
Thanks, Saw them in google ads and was looking for a first hand confirmation

MikeFelitti
03-29-2016, 07:29 AM
this Facebook ShopSabre / WinCNC Users Group offers a lot of information from other users. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1141969885814946/

StreamlineRich
03-29-2016, 08:24 AM
I have found a lot of good info at CNCCookbook: Be a Better CNC'er (http://www.cnccookbook.com/).

MartyUT
04-23-2016, 02:45 PM
Just got our new IS612 in on Tuesday. Working on getting everything plumbed/wired etc. now. Can't wait to fire it up!! Think it's going to be one hell of an upgrade from our old CamTech!! :D

DigitalOi
05-03-2016, 10:03 PM
Just got our new IS612 in on Tuesday. Working on getting everything plumbed/wired etc. now. Can't wait to fire it up!! Think it's going to be one hell of an upgrade from our old CamTech!! :D

Nice. We're running an is510. Love it.

Echo5tango
09-15-2017, 08:10 PM
Hello CNCers,
I am debating purchasing he IS 510 or the Freedom Machine Tool 510 patriot.
Any Feedback about your experience with Shop Sabre and their product would be greatly appreciated, AND... if you have comments or experience with the Patriot I'd appreciate them too.
I own and run a cabinet shop, and will process 20-60 sheets a week.

thanks

MartyUT
09-18-2017, 09:02 PM
Hello CNCers,
I am debating purchasing he IS 510 or the Freedom Machine Tool 510 patriot.
Any Feedback about your experience with Shop Sabre and their product would be greatly appreciated, AND... if you have comments or experience with the Patriot I'd appreciate them too.
I own and run a cabinet shop, and will process 20-60 sheets a week.

thanks
We've had our IS612 for a little over a year now. It's been a great machine so far, and their tech support has been absolutely fantastic to work with. There is also a very good Shop Sabre Owners group on Facebook that's been great for passing around information. Can't find one bad thing to say about Shop Sabre or their service!!

Hope this helps.

codebynite1
09-26-2017, 12:02 PM
What ShopSabre model are you the proud owner of?

codebynite1
09-26-2017, 12:09 PM
I have the ShopSabre 23 and have only had it for about a month now. Up to this point I am VERY impressed with the quality of the machine and the parts I've produced. I produced a set of 1911 pistol grips out of Black Walnut for my son and they turned out awesome. I've been in the CNC router industry for almost 30 years and was an application engineer for the CNC router group at one of the main machinery suppliers for almost 10 of those years, so my expectations are high and so far this machine has met them all.

ShopSabre
11-04-2017, 09:33 AM
Hello CNCers,
I am debating purchasing he IS 510 or the Freedom Machine Tool 510 patriot.
Any Feedback about your experience with Shop Sabre and their product would be greatly appreciated, AND... if you have comments or experience with the Patriot I'd appreciate them too.
I own and run a cabinet shop, and will process 20-60 sheets a week.

thanks


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Woodtrimmer2
12-18-2017, 02:51 PM
Hello Hypotenuse

I am considering a entry level ShopSabre and see you may have had yours for several years now..

Would you mind sharing your experience with the machine and there support service?

Thank you for your consideration and response.

Larry








Hello Hypotenuse and Other Shop Sabre Owners,
It looks like this is our Shop Sabre forum... It would be great if there were more activity here. I am a new owner of an IS408: 12hp spindle, 20 hp vac, 5 tool ATC (really wish the 8 tool special had been going when I bought), VCarve Pro 8, Cut3d. Don't have a lot of time on the machine yet but so far the Tech Support has been there every time I needed them. I would be happy to share/read any experiences, knowledge, anecdotes, etc. anyone has time post. Having said this, I really don't know how some guys get any work done as much time as they spend on the forums...

Picktool
01-04-2018, 07:29 PM
Anyone here willing to post some electrical requirements
Im looking to get a ProSeries
10 hp/pos ATC spindle
Sabre F4 vacuum w/ hybrid phenolic table & clamping
Thanks

ShopSabre
01-04-2018, 08:08 PM
Anyone here willing to post some electrical requirements
Im looking to get a ProSeries
10 hp/pos ATC spindle
Sabre F4 vacuum w/ hybrid phenolic table & clamping
Thanks

Just contact us directly, we can give you the specs you are looking at
We are open Monday through Friday 8am to 5pm cst

MarkBolton
03-17-2018, 02:44 PM
Just joined the forum. Late response, but have virtually the same machine. Can input if needed.