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gio666
08-07-2010, 06:51 PM
Other thread got closed , maybe start on here

gio666
08-07-2010, 07:59 PM
http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92565

gio666
08-07-2010, 08:04 PM
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/5734/img0826p.jpg (http://img194.imageshack.us/i/img0826p.jpg/)

cnctoolman
08-07-2010, 11:14 PM
looks very good george. Looks like you have everything worked out now.

Will be sending you a pm shortly.

gio666
08-08-2010, 08:38 AM
i am looking into getting a open forum set up on my site, so hopefully will have it set up soon and also the site ,

http://www.xzerocnc.com/

buckeyes1997
08-08-2010, 10:35 AM
Sorry your thread got closed George. It seemed to me every other page was you telling about some new item you were carrying or using or going to start selling etc. I guess you were scaring the other vendors with new products??

I cant wait to get my HiWIN square rail machine from you!!!

gio666
08-08-2010, 11:12 AM
Yes Thanks , maybe i don't know why it really got closed, i don't see anything different from my thread to every other thread on that forum , and some one put me in that forum to begin with , all i can say if their worried all ready they have not seen everything yet , i want to make so everyone can afford a machine , big or small one, with out pay 10x extra for a machine

ihavenofish
08-08-2010, 02:15 PM
i think they should move the thread rather than close it. i know its tricky for them cause its half technical, half advertising.

anyhow

i tried surfacing my steel table last night, and the thing bowed 1/8". so, tip: dont use cold rolled steel for a table, it has too much internal stress.

Al_The_Man
08-08-2010, 02:23 PM
Sorry your thread got closed George. It seemed to me every other page was you telling about some new item you were carrying or using or going to start selling etc. I guess you were scaring the other vendors with new products??



It looks like Paul closed it, you could PM him and find out the reason?
Al.

ihavenofish
08-08-2010, 02:42 PM
It looks like Paul closed it, you could PM him and find out the reason?
Al.

he posted into it. basically along the lines of "this isnt a product anouncement anymore".

odd that it took this long for him to notice :)

jwalker5
08-08-2010, 03:10 PM
i tried surfacing my steel table last night, and the thing bowed 1/8". so, tip: dont use cold rolled steel for a table, it has too much internal stress

What are you going to use instead of cold rolled steel. I'll be facing the same problem soon. Not sure what to use. The aluminum table from George is about $800 ( a tad too much for now)

antonzedd
08-08-2010, 03:34 PM
you can use it, you just have to split it up into panels first then surface each piece individually.:)

gio666
08-08-2010, 07:02 PM
30x72

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/4812/img0930k.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/i/img0930k.jpg/)

gio666
08-08-2010, 07:03 PM
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/7789/img0933c.jpg (http://img718.imageshack.us/i/img0933c.jpg/)

gio666
08-08-2010, 07:05 PM
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5882/img0936io.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/i/img0936io.jpg/)

http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/584/img0937.jpg (http://img802.imageshack.us/i/img0937.jpg/)

gio666
08-08-2010, 07:15 PM
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/9810/img0939e.jpg (http://img203.imageshack.us/i/img0939e.jpg/)

gio666
08-08-2010, 07:16 PM
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5016/img0942cn.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/i/img0942cn.jpg/)

mactec54
08-08-2010, 07:17 PM
gio666

How many RPM can your 270oz steppers do, they seem to be moving your router gantry really well

gio666
08-08-2010, 07:18 PM
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/2052/img0943i.jpg (http://img408.imageshack.us/i/img0943i.jpg/)

gio666
08-08-2010, 07:36 PM
Igus cable chain , 25x25 push in wires , also have Igus cable chain wires , very flexible

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/170/img0949yb.jpg (http://img62.imageshack.us/i/img0949yb.jpg/)

http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/8868/img0946fb.jpg (http://img541.imageshack.us/i/img0946fb.jpg/)

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/2551/img0947c.jpg (http://img97.imageshack.us/i/img0947c.jpg/)

ihavenofish
08-08-2010, 07:57 PM
gio666

How many RPM can your 270oz steppers do, they seem to be moving your router gantry really well

600ipm on a 10mm pitch screw is 1500rpm or so. thats what mine does safely with no stalling.

gio666
08-08-2010, 08:01 PM
On the square rail machine , you can put 2 super heavy bearings on X axis ,
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/7091/img0956g.jpg (http://img251.imageshack.us/i/img0956g.jpg/)

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/7194/img0955k.jpg (http://img28.imageshack.us/i/img0955k.jpg/)

gio666
08-08-2010, 08:56 PM
Double nut on Y , is so smooth with double nuts
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/2508/img0958d.jpg (http://img295.imageshack.us/i/img0958d.jpg/)

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1212/img0959uz.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/i/img0959uz.jpg/)

buckeyes1997
08-09-2010, 05:49 AM
Glad to see your new thread going off with a BANG. Nice pictures. Makes me drool just looking at them. Dig up some of those pictures of the Hiwin full machine and show them off. It really is a good design.

George I just finished mouting my drives/controller in the cabinet. I'm ready for the machine now..hahaha.

http://www.allthingsrc.com/cnc/cabinet2.jpg

Matt

sagreen
08-09-2010, 03:45 PM
Glad to see your new thread going off with a BANG. Nice pictures. Makes me drool just looking at them. Dig up some of those pictures of the Hiwin full machine and show them off. It really is a good design.

George I just finished mouting my drives/controller in the cabinet. I'm ready for the machine now..hahaha.

http://www.allthingsrc.com/cnc/cabinet2.jpg

Matt

Buckeyes,

Where did you get the cabinet, and what was the price? I really like the design!

Scott...

buckeyes1997
08-09-2010, 10:43 PM
'cabinet came from eBay for $80. Fresh coat of paint and good as new.:-)

sagreen
08-09-2010, 11:58 PM
'cabinet came from eBay for $80. Fresh coat of paint and good as new.:-)

Cool, do you remember what you searched for?

Scott...

buckeyes1997
08-10-2010, 07:36 AM
possible search strings

"hoffman" "electrical cabinet" "Rittal" "NEMA enclosure" "BUD cabinet"

I thought about welding my own up but its probably cheaper to just buy one ready to go online. I have plenty of room to expand in the future as my needs change with the machine. George has designed a nice frame/machine and with my controller cabinet I should have a very flexible and capable machine.

I saw in the other thread that someone was milling aluminum at DOC of 4 and 6mm and the results looked a little rough but not horrible. Hopefully that shows the rigidity of the machine and what it can handle. I want to mill aluminum with my Hiwin Raptor and while I dont need huge DOC, more is certainly better. :-D

gio666
08-11-2010, 10:09 AM
http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/826/img0966l.jpg (http://img693.imageshack.us/i/img0966l.jpg/)

gio666
08-11-2010, 10:10 AM
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1286/img0968x.jpg (http://img291.imageshack.us/i/img0968x.jpg/)

gio666
08-11-2010, 10:12 AM
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2006/img0964m.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/i/img0964m.jpg/)

gio666
08-11-2010, 10:16 AM
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/7271/img0962dm.jpg (http://img823.imageshack.us/i/img0962dm.jpg/)

sagreen
08-11-2010, 12:48 PM
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/7271/img0962dm.jpg (http://img823.imageshack.us/i/img0962dm.jpg/)

Sweet! Looks a lot like polished 40"x60" parts.

Scott...

buckeyes1997
08-12-2010, 05:50 AM
Hey George

I sent a few emails this week to find out if you shipped my machine on Monday like you said you would. Not sure if your email is different yet but please shoot me a message and let me know the status. Hopefully at least on here I will be sure you get my communication.

THanks
Matt

inventor83
08-12-2010, 01:27 PM
Same here, have you shipped the remainder of my parts yet?

gio666
08-12-2010, 11:45 PM
HERE is a open forum for the machines and info for people to use and get help

http://www.xzerocnc.com/forum/index.php

gio666
08-12-2010, 11:46 PM
sales@xzerocnc.com

info@xzerocnc.com

gio666
08-13-2010, 12:02 AM
http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/4859/img0970lc.jpg (http://img810.imageshack.us/i/img0970lc.jpg/)

gio666
08-13-2010, 12:04 AM
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/206/img0974h.jpg (http://img840.imageshack.us/i/img0974h.jpg/)

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/4902/img0971f.jpg (http://img705.imageshack.us/i/img0971f.jpg/)

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/8448/img0973kd.jpg (http://img338.imageshack.us/i/img0973kd.jpg/)

ihavenofish
08-13-2010, 12:07 AM
shiny.

gio666
08-13-2010, 12:09 AM
I Had to use internet explorer to check my emails , they didn't show up on the windows office but where stopped and mark as junk in explorer but no in office , there about 100 emails in last 2 weeks as junk

gio666
08-13-2010, 12:11 AM
i will go through all the emails there right away

gio666
08-13-2010, 12:32 AM
update on the drivers , the servos power will be adjustable from 20a to 40a

buckeyes1997
08-13-2010, 08:54 AM
George

I sent a few emails asking if you sent my machine out on Monday of this week like you emailed me. You asked if it was okay to send it as unassembled parts and I told you that would be fine. So you were going to pack up and ship my machine as parts on Monday. Please go ahead and reply here on the forum whether you did that and we'll just avoid the email problems directly.

Thanks

gio666
08-13-2010, 10:07 AM
Yes I told you i would send out by Monday , that's what i planing to do ,had a little snag this week , but there 4 larger supported machines waiting for people that box them up and send them out to do it as there is no room , I send machines out in order of getting them , and i would get to your earlier because you going to set up all your self, as you got the last 24x machine on the first run of square rail machines and 17th person in line and lots of the 24x wanted them polished ,so your would be ready soon to pack , as there only one 40x machine left maybe .
But will get your done right away because there nothing to do on the machine , they just have to put in the boxes.
Same as the 5 people that never completely paid off their machines once they got them , 3 people i never hear from no more and 2 i will have to see , some barely paid even for the aluminum ? as i thought since they waited for me i trusted them too but not same way in return i guess, i know people have hard times and even some of the machines people pay monthly on them , but would never think of ever posting there emails or disrespect them by doing so

buckeyes1997
08-13-2010, 12:46 PM
George

I understand. All I was looking for was a response to an email about why you didnt do what you told me you were going to do. That is all I wanted. When you told me it ships monday I cancelled plans to go out of town for the weekend to work on my machine so naturally when you dont respond to emails and then I come to find out that for whatever reason you didnt ship it NOR send me a note to say that you didnt get it out.......I'm disappointed.

I think your machines are quality work and I ultimately want the machine but its going on 3 months and we all get impatient.

Also, I paid in full for my machine via paypal the same day I said I wanted it. I owe nothing and am waiting for something I paid for months ago.

Matt



UPDATE: George has emailed me and we've discussed the status. He assures me he's working as fast as he can and things will be shipping soon. For the time being I am fine with that and cant wait to get my machine. I feel a little better now.

cyclestart
08-14-2010, 03:12 AM
I send machines out in order of getting them
First come first serve. Okay, fair enough as a policy.

But....
honestly George, if a promised shipping date is missed it shouldn't be the customers job to track you down for an explanation. Like Buckeyes I've paid in full and am waiting patiently. Or at least paid in full minus shipping, taxes, handling and insurance which I have no way of calculating exactly. The wait itself wasn't completely unexpected. Waiting for a parcel you think is on the road only adds frustration..



Same as the 5 people that never completely paid off their machines once they got them , 3 people i never hear from no more and 2 i will have to see ,
Demand payment in full before shipping. Nothing unfair about it.

gio666
08-15-2010, 12:05 AM
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/1841/img0981z.jpg (http://img130.imageshack.us/i/img0981z.jpg/)

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/3268/img0985d.jpg (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/img0985d.jpg/)

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/650/img0977h.jpg (http://img217.imageshack.us/i/img0977h.jpg/)

gio666
08-15-2010, 12:15 AM
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/6585/img0975qt.jpg (http://img40.imageshack.us/i/img0975qt.jpg/)

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/4214/img0984w.jpg (http://img413.imageshack.us/i/img0984w.jpg/)

ihavenofish
08-15-2010, 12:45 AM
polished table is scratched already, haha.


so i got my guitar jig working nicely. i need to put in a few threaded inserts and more bolts to secure it to the machine, but it seems to have worked perfect. forgot the camera.. again. will take pics tomorrow.

i am using these cool lee valley cam clamps that sit in a 3/4" hole. just drill a hole anywhere on the table and you got a clamp. i have 2 positioned to clamp the guitar body, and one that locks in a rough blank for surfacing. holds very well. they only sit 1/4" above the table so they dont interfere with cutting.


so, i cut some wood on the jig. specifically i surfaced a poplar guitar body blank, and a mahogany one.

i tested a few different speeds and came up with -

18000rpm, 1.25" bit, 450 ipm. works, but leaves a rough surface and can chip out edges.

18000rpm, 1.25" bit, 200ipm. works very well. was blasting through poplar at .125" depth and full cutter width.

WEAR EYE PROTECTION! man this thing can throw wood chips.

at certain spots in the surfacing i got a "bounce" in the tool. you can see a set of bounc marks in the surface. nothing serious, maybe .002" depth. the table was not properly secured, so i dont know yet if it was the table bouncing, or the head.

i also cut a slot in the mdf table with a dull 1/2" cutter at 100ipm and 1/4" depth. it chattered alot and left a bad finish. i think this was partly because of the table not being secure, partly cause the tool has a 2" flute and isnt rigid, and partly because is was really dull. i didnt want to use any new tools til i knew it wasnt going to crash into something :)

all in all, a very good start methinks.

gio666
08-15-2010, 09:17 AM
NO the table top is not polished , just get shinny with scotch bright pad

ihavenofish
08-15-2010, 03:42 PM
so when i cut a big rectangle pocket in my mdf table to fit one of my pvc jig parts, i found that the jig didnt fit. the pvc part was made on my novakon, the pocket cut on the router. i measured the jig, and it was dead on size. i measured the pocket and it was. .02" undersize. .01" on each side is what i usually leave for a finish pass, so i assumed i screwed up. i widened the pocket and all was well.

i checked the program this morning, and it wasnt wrong.

turns out that the ball screw pitch on the machine is out by that much. instead of 10mm pitch, they are 9.84mm give or take on the X, and 9.9mm-ish on the Y.

calibration time!

and time for another sheet of mdf for the table, cause its not quite workable in this case. i will eventually make a pvc table top, but not until this is working 100%.

i also found the spindle is out of tram by a very very tiny amount. its almost small enough not to care, but you can feel ridges when the 1.25" wide face mill makes passes. im not decided on how to take care of this yet. i can shim the spindle swivel plate, the spindle back plate, the z axis, or the y axis rails/gantry. ill have to do some precision measuring to find out which one will give the best result. thats going to be tricky because nothing on this machine is magnetic to stick my indicator on!

mactec54
08-15-2010, 05:32 PM
ihavenofish

You can start by putting the indicator in the spindle, just make a bar with a pin in one end for your spindle collet & mount the indicator on the other end, & then you can check it real easy, you want a least 6"to 8" swing

I thought that the ballscrews were C5, grade they sound like they are C7 with that number you are getting 9.84/9.9

ihavenofish
08-15-2010, 06:03 PM
ihavenofish

You can start by putting the indicator in the spindle, just make a bar with a pin in one end for your spindle collet & mount the indicator on the other end, & then you can check it real easy, you want a least 6"to 8" swing

I thought that the ballscrews were C5, grade they sound like they are C7 with that number you are getting 9.84/9.9

sorry, for measuring i was meaning general alignment and calibration, not tram. i have a setup to measure tram already, but it first requires the table to be level and flat :)

as for the screw grade, these are C5 rolled as the claim goes.

c5 usually specifies about .02mm deviation from the mean pitch. it doesnt however necessarily specify the deviation of the mean pitch from the labeled pitch. the rolling process isnt aparently that controlled. on higher end ground screws they will specify this deviation and for c5 it would be about 0.05mm per 300mm. what ive got is more like 1.5mm per 300mm on the x axis.

once the actual pitch is calibrated in mach3, you should get the true performance of the screw - which should be in C5 range if theres nothing funny going on (i have no reason to believe there is so far).

this is something that must be done with all machines, even higer end ones. i was just a bit surprised just how much deviation i have, and serves as a good warning of how important it is to calibrate first.

also to note, mach 3 can map out a screw to compensate for its internal accuracy as well, so a "sketchy" chinese c5 screw can be brought into much better precision provided theres no backlash and its not binding. ultimately, these screws exceed the precision of the rest of the machine by a fair margin no matter what grade they read.

i need to run off to the 24 hour home depot to get myself a better table top. im wondering if they have any 2'x4' mdf with formica on it for cheap. this will give me a more consistent surface to work on - less fuzz and tearing and no moisture absorbtion.

ihavenofish
08-16-2010, 04:05 AM
so this tables a bit of a failure. the top laminate didnt glue on level. also have an issue where the ends of the router frame are just a hair above the extrusions, so i shimmed up the table to clear it.

tomorrow im going to see if i can have someone with a shopbot mill me out a table from 1" mdf with recessed bolt holes and a clearance on the back for the end frames, along with precisely placed holes for my threaded inserts and wedge clamps.

you can see my router swivel plate in the picture. working well so far, but i want to re make georges backplate later on with steel threads. i have a feeling the aluminium will strip after several repositions.

LeeWay
08-16-2010, 07:05 AM
I'll just relay what I have found out. I initially tried MDF. Humidity is so high in south Alabama that the MDF would not last a week.
I tried two different quality plywoods next. They did work better, but were still prone to warping out in spots.
What I use now and have been using for a couple years is an HDPE product. It's called Seaboard by brand name I think. Starboard is similar.
It comes in Black or White.
This is some really fine stable material. I get it from my plastics supplier. He always has stuff like this on Ebay as well.
I use the 3/4" and 1" thick stuff.
It cuts like butter and drills and sands very easy.
It is a substitute for marine grade plywood.

To do your table correctly, you should cut it out on your machine. That is by far the easiest most reliable way to get your surface flat.
Then you will be able to mount tooling plates and jigs that are also level with your machine. I use threaded inserts and all my jigs are cut to the same insert pattern so everything fits perfectly making setup for different plates just a matter of about a minute.

http://stores.ebay.com/NorVa-Plastics_STARBOARD_W0QQ_fsubZ10848025QQ_sidZ21035614QQ_trksidZp4634Q2ec0Q2em322

Hope this helps.

sagreen
08-16-2010, 12:04 PM
so this tables a bit of a failure. the top laminate didnt glue on level. also have an issue where the ends of the router frame are just a hair above the extrusions, so i shimmed up the table to clear it.

tomorrow im going to see if i can have someone with a shopbot mill me out a table from 1" mdf with recessed bolt holes and a clearance on the back for the end frames, along with precisely placed holes for my threaded inserts and wedge clamps.

you can see my router swivel plate in the picture. working well so far, but i want to re make georges backplate later on with steel threads. i have a feeling the aluminium will strip after several repositions.

The way we tram the spindles in our shopbots is the following:
1) Use a dial indicator / drillrod / beam jig mounted in the spindle.
2) Rough tram the spindle to whatever table you have prior to surfacing.
3) Surface the table. There will still be ridges.
4) Lay a piece of sheet glass (24x24 ish) on the table
5) Tram to the top of the glass.

The glass normalizes all of the ridges. If you had a precision ground steel or aluminum plate that would work as well.

Scott...

ihavenofish
08-16-2010, 03:14 PM
The way we tram the spindles in our shopbots is the following:
1) Use a dial indicator / drillrod / beam jig mounted in the spindle.
2) Rough tram the spindle to whatever table you have prior to surfacing.
3) Surface the table. There will still be ridges.
4) Lay a piece of sheet glass (24x24 ish) on the table
5) Tram to the top of the glass.

The glass normalizes all of the ridges. If you had a precision ground steel or aluminum plate that would work as well.

Scott...

interesting method.

my method is to just use an indicator to track the surface and shim it level. then tram.

i need to start with a fairly flat table, because the machine cant run wide enough to mill its own table.

i rodered my PVC table top. will be here wednesday. i think i will wait for that, and prepare up everything else while i wait for it.

i need to make alternate jigs for different guitar bodies still, and a setup for necks an such. also need to calibrate the screws. lots of work.

sagreen
08-16-2010, 06:21 PM
interesting method.
i need to start with a fairly flat table, because the machine cant run wide enough to mill its own table.


Hmmm, thats odd. Why build the table bigger than the machine can surface? If you cant surface it, you cant cut to the size of the table either...

Scott...

ihavenofish
08-16-2010, 06:37 PM
Hmmm, thats odd. Why build the table bigger than the machine can surface? If you cant surface it, you cant cut to the size of the table either...

Scott...

a few reasons. first and most obvious is that the machine travel is 19.25" in the Y give or take, yet you need a 21" table to properly span the machines main extrusions, and 23" to provide a little cover over the X rails.

i also have the table 44" long, where the machine travels 28.75" in the X. this is because i have my clamps outside the cutting area.

i *could* surface the inner portion of the table separately, but then you have a ridge all the way around which is of no use to me. i could also use a big fly cutter to surface the side edges, but it still wont reach the ends on the X.

as luck would have it, the pvc sheet is very flat - well within the flatness of my need for guitars. so all i need to be concerned with is leveling.

dwolsten
08-16-2010, 06:42 PM
Hi,

The ViperX machine with photos posted recently looks nice. Can you post the pricing for it please, and what sizes it's available in?

Thanks!
Dan

ihavenofish
08-16-2010, 06:45 PM
Hi,

The ViperX machine with photos posted recently looks nice. Can you post the pricing for it please, and what sizes it's available in?

Thanks!
Dan

you should email him for the price as it tends to fluctuate a little.

gio666
08-17-2010, 08:49 PM
New high pitch high speed ballnuts for 20mm turn screws
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2077/ballscrewnut2.jpg (http://img217.imageshack.us/i/ballscrewnut2.jpg/)

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/6307/ballscrewnut1.jpg (http://img831.imageshack.us/i/ballscrewnut1.jpg/)

sagreen
08-17-2010, 09:44 PM
New high pitch high speed ballnuts for 20mm turn screws
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2077/ballscrewnut2.jpg (http://img217.imageshack.us/i/ballscrewnut2.jpg/)

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/6307/ballscrewnut1.jpg (http://img831.imageshack.us/i/ballscrewnut1.jpg/)

Would be nice to have these on my machine!

Scott...

gio666
08-17-2010, 10:08 PM
Most of the time when i get the machining done overseas the always to big still , but was not worried about getting them redone , this time they didn't even machined close to the drawing and came far to short for the 40x wide machines

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/4231/img1011v.jpg (http://img196.imageshack.us/i/img1011v.jpg/)

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/4802/ballscrewmachining1610l.jpg (http://img812.imageshack.us/i/ballscrewmachining1610l.jpg/)

gio666
08-17-2010, 10:14 PM
Also can not post prices on the forum like other threads , i don't want to get another thread closed

gio666
08-17-2010, 10:36 PM
also will have 40x wide supported machine now, that the 30x wide has all problems redone , and working on a 48x wide in the square rails once these ones are gone and out

gio666
08-17-2010, 10:38 PM
Will have both 48x in a low machine like the 40x and also one made of steel frame

buckeyes1997
08-18-2010, 07:49 AM
Most of the time when i get the machining done overseas the always to big still , but was not worried about getting them redone , this time they didn't even machined close to the drawing and came far to short for the 40x wide machines

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/4231/img1011v.jpg (http://img196.imageshack.us/i/img1011v.jpg/)

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/4802/ballscrewmachining1610l.jpg (http://img812.imageshack.us/i/ballscrewmachining1610l.jpg/)

George

I dont see where you give an overall dimension of the length of the ballscrew? Do you specify somewhere the length of the ballscrew between machined ends? Just curious how one specs end machining on ballscrews.

gio666
08-18-2010, 08:15 AM
It is the same machining for all the ballscrews, the total length of the ballscrew includes the machining, so for 40x it would be 1003mm , and 24x would be 603mm total length with machining , they made the L2 with out adding the L3 in it , then added L3 after , making them around 10mm to short, no problem getting redone if to long , but to short there nothing can do , but the replacement ones should be here right away ,

jwalker5
08-18-2010, 08:34 AM
Most of the time when i get the machining done overseas the always to big still , but was not worried about getting them redone , this time they didn't even machined close to the drawing and came far to short for the 40x wide machines

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/4231/img1011v.jpg (http://img196.imageshack.us/i/img1011v.jpg/)

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/4802/ballscrewmachining1610l.jpg (http://img812.imageshack.us/i/ballscrewmachining1610l.jpg/)

Is the quality of these ballscrews in the picture typical of what I should expect on my 40 x 60 ?

gio666
08-18-2010, 08:39 AM
what do you mean by quality?

jwalker5
08-18-2010, 08:44 AM
what do you mean by quality?

Your kidding right

gio666
08-18-2010, 08:50 AM
Your kidding right
NO , Quality of machining or Quality of ballscrews? The ballscrews are Taiwan made and just end machined in china ,

jwalker5
08-18-2010, 09:01 AM
NO , Quality of machining or Quality of ballscrews? The ballscrews are Taiwan made and just end machined in china ,

The quality of machining is the quality of the ballscrew! The pictures show rough threads like they were cut with a die, not machined and the shaft looks pitted. If these are superficial then fine, but if they represent the quality of workmanship, then I would be concerned. All we have to judge anything is a picture and questions.

gio666
08-18-2010, 09:13 AM
The ballscrew still have packing grease , dust , dust from surface grinding?on them , there not clean yet? i don't clean them till there going on machine?
i took pictures like that because if there remove from there bag , the company won't credit the machining cost , and say there not their ballscrews, also they send right away new ones that way if its there fault , the line on the one ballscrew is to show how much they over machined?

jwalker5
08-18-2010, 09:20 AM
The ballscrew still have packing grease , dust , dust from surface grinding?on them , there not clean yet? i don't clean them till there going on machine?
i took pictures like that because if there remove from there bag , the company won't credit the machining cost , and say there not their ballscrews, also they send right away new ones that way if its there fault , the line on the one ballscrew is to show how much they over machined?

Perfect George. That is why I asked. The pictures are misleading and that puts my mind to rest.
Now the next question is were these ballscrews in the picture for my machine and if so how long are we looking at to get these remade.

gio666
08-18-2010, 09:26 AM
the replacement for the 40x is on there way already , and other will be remachined to to fit next one down in size

gio666
08-18-2010, 09:32 AM
also the picture is 12x zoom , shot in super macro and a magnifying glass ,also had to use measuring tape as they don't believe digital calipers in pictures

ihavenofish
08-19-2010, 10:40 PM
so im about to knock out some production guitar bodies with the hiwin router. ill be posting pics and such in a new thread in the music section over the weekend.

buckeyes1997
08-20-2010, 06:02 AM
Cool. Please link them here also.

airbrush
08-21-2010, 09:59 AM
Hey George,

Are the bosch colt mounts done? When you
can ship tabletop and the rest i've paid for already??
I've emailed you numerous times in the past week and half with no response...please reply.

Jeff

gio666
08-22-2010, 07:39 AM
I don't know where your emailing ? i never got one email, last email i got was you telling me your going to wait for mount before table top to be send , i told you last email i just send top now and mount when there done?

gio666
08-24-2010, 09:33 PM
Hi Everyone , there is no more of the supported rails machines for sale to new customers, i only have left for people that got already and will not be making more machines

gio666
08-24-2010, 11:51 PM
This is the supported round rail machine

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/4812/img0930k.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/i/img0930k.jpg/)

gio666
08-25-2010, 09:14 AM
The reason I am not making the supported round rail machine no more is the length of time to put together.
Every machine has always been different when setting them up, and take so much time to get everyone to work proper.
It is the strongest of all the machines, but takes 30x longer to get right.
The machine has been back luck for me from the start, rushed design, changes, parts, mistakes ,hard to reassemble without not damaging the bearings ,
To work on a machine for 7 straight days on one machine to get all right, then sending machine out not completely paid off
and getting only 1000 for all your time plus machine and shipping ,because people waiting long for them and just sent them out thinking there like me and pay their debts .
I still think the supported machines is the best of all of them , but one wrong thing will totally make it a nightmare , just one tighten wrong screw will do it and take forever to find the problem.
At this time just trying to get out the supported machines is just back everything up to a stop over and over again.
Spent so much time to get the machine to be the best , and not reassemble right after is now causing problems and blame the machine,
So it is better just to stop it and maybe bad luck will stop,

jwalker5
08-25-2010, 09:33 AM
The reason I am not making the supported round rail machine no more is the length of time to put together.
,

It's a shame George. They look like a work of art. and for those that have left you high and dry for money oweing, SHAME ON YOU. If and when something goes wrong or you need parts, I'm sure George will not forget!
Good luck George, I hope things go smoother from now on.

buckeyes1997
08-25-2010, 01:00 PM
And also perhaps this will speed up the leadtime on the square rail machines. It should hopefully be easier for you now.

....it really is a shame that people have not paid. Not everyone out there is that way George and you should try not to let them poison your perception of mankind in general......HOWEVER, I would never have sent a machine out without payment because I tend to distrust people. Kudos to you for at least trusting your fellow man, sorry you got burnt. :-(

jwalker5
08-25-2010, 01:11 PM
Any idea as to when you expect the replacement ballscrews for the 40 x 60 machines.

ihavenofish
08-25-2010, 01:23 PM
this machinist thing is alot of work! :p

after alot fo trial and error - mostly with jigs, i have arived at these:
http://www.polarguitars.com/images/offset_limba_3.jpg

yay!

theres a few "issues" with georges machine that i had to watch out for though.

1st is obvious, the machine is light, and when you push hard it flexes. so i had to find the right balance of fedd rate and depth. that said, it plows through wood with relative ease when you get it all dialed in. most of my cuts are 1/4" depth, 50-75% tool width, and 200ish ipm. i slow it down to 75ipm on some finish passes, as im using a super long 1/4" end mill thats got its own flex issues. i ran the top carving with a 1" ball nose at 350ipm (the fastest i trust the machine not to stall at right now). plunging is a general nono (and is kinda on most machines) as it flexes back the spindle and casues the bit to not be perpendicular to the work. so instead a slower feed rate ramp or helix is best to enter the work piece. youll always want a fine finish pass on side walls that are critical, as well as bottoms of pockets.

second issue is a strange one thats harder to find a work around. the linear rails butt up against the uprights and end plates. wood dust collects in the corners and you effectively loose more and more travel - up to about 1/4" on each end if you arent paying attention. unfortunately putting a bellows on is not viable, because that will eat alot more travel. i think the best bet is to simply not have the dust reach there by using a vacuum hood. i happen to be using all the y travel with only 1/8" to spare each end, so i need to do something.

anyhow, i took many pictures of my program stages and jig, im going to organise them into their own thread later. will probably do a video soon, but ive run out of wood sized for these bodies, haha.

igor
08-25-2010, 01:45 PM
Nice work....
What size machine is it and what motors and drivers and spindle are you using. I am impressed with the feed rates you are able to get for a light weight machine.

ihavenofish
08-25-2010, 02:01 PM
Nice work....
What size machine is it and what motors and drivers and spindle are you using. I am impressed with the feed rates you are able to get for a light weight machine.

its a 24x36" hiwin model. im using the 270oz in motors from george, and gecko g540 drivers. spindle is a colombo air cooled 1.5hp 18000rpm.

gio666
08-25-2010, 02:21 PM
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/593/img1026d.jpg (http://img819.imageshack.us/i/img1026d.jpg/)

gio666
08-25-2010, 02:24 PM
http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/3682/img1027w.jpg (http://img820.imageshack.us/i/img1027w.jpg/)

gio666
08-25-2010, 02:28 PM
http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/5407/img1028f.jpg (http://img830.imageshack.us/i/img1028f.jpg/)

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/5434/img1030bj.jpg (http://img638.imageshack.us/i/img1030bj.jpg/)

ihavenofish
08-25-2010, 02:30 PM
sweet. that will be highly useful.

gio666
08-25-2010, 02:34 PM
8 inch Z axis , 3/4 inch aluminum , 8 inch travel .Mounting holes for for XZero router mounts and also any K2 mount
Also the bearing are the HGH20HA super heavy duty


http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/3456/img1032d.jpg (http://img824.imageshack.us/i/img1032d.jpg/)

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/2471/img1033f.jpg (http://img835.imageshack.us/i/img1033f.jpg/)

igor
08-25-2010, 02:42 PM
its a 24x36" hiwin model. im using the 270oz in motors from george, and gecko g540 drivers. spindle is a colombo air cooled 1.5hp 18000rpm.

That is pretty much what I am look for size wise, if not just a bit wide frame. That drive and motor combo generates impressive performance. Thanks for sharing.

igor
08-25-2010, 02:44 PM
8 inch Z axis , 3/4 inch aluminum , 8 inch travel .Mounting holes for for XZero router mounts and also any K2 mount
Also the bearing are the HGH20HA super heavy duty


http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/3456/img1032d.jpg (http://img824.imageshack.us/i/img1032d.jpg/)

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/2471/img1033f.jpg (http://img835.imageshack.us/i/img1033f.jpg/)


Looks nice and beafy

gio666
08-25-2010, 05:12 PM
Also will be switching lots of the machines to the Bosch Rexroth aluminum profiles

antonzedd
08-25-2010, 08:40 PM
To work on a machine for 7 straight days on one machine to get all right, then sending machine out not completely paid off
and getting only 1000 for all your time plus machine and shipping ,because people waiting long for them and just sent them out thinking there like me and pay their debts.

Absolutely shocking... George is working his tail off doing something that few of us can do (and I might add at a great cost savings to us) and now this? Some people need to be shot and pissed on!

antonzedd
08-25-2010, 08:41 PM
Also will be switching lots of the machines to the Bosch Rexroth aluminum profiles

Excellent move towards this line of aluminum profile, I've always thought they had much more strength.

buckeyes1997
08-25-2010, 09:49 PM
I like the square rail Z axis. Its definately beefier than the regular Z axis.

Looks good George you will sell a ton of those new Z's.

Matt

gio666
08-25-2010, 10:53 PM
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gio666
08-25-2010, 11:05 PM
YouTube- XZero cnc guitar

ihavenofish
08-26-2010, 01:07 AM
having upload issues?

hehe.

george also took a clip of an off cut from routing the guitar outline. it shows some interesting stuff about the dynamics of the cutting.

aparently i mentioned flex in my previous post and some people got all freaked out.

everything flexes, from a little sherline mill, to an X3, to a haas VMC, and georges router. finding out where the stress limit of the machine is is important and not something to fear. georges machine is a heavy weight "small hobby router". its not a wet noodle, nor is it a block of granite.

anyhow, when i cut this outline, you can see a stairstep on the scrap side of the cut. the bit im using is a 2 flute 1/4" with 1.5" depth of cut and about 2" extension. this bit is worst case for flex. the majority of the deflection you see in the cut is in the bit. ive used the same bit on my 1500lb cast iron novakon mill and got much the same effect. i use a climb mill technique that causes the bit to push away from the finished surface, so acuracy cant be compromised.

a fairly small amount of flex in this cut is from the machine ans mostly in the round Z rails. its pretty negligable. the rough cut is done at 200ipm, which is quite heavy. the finish cut comes around at 75ipm, milling away the stairstep, as well as .03" of fresh stock, a full 1.5" deep. this cut creates little to no chatter and leaves a very smooth surface depending on the wood type. a check of the acuracy achived is a second run of the finish pass to clean up fuzzies in poplar. you hear/see no recutting except in sharp corners where the machine bounces a little from my very agressive deceleration settings (the machine moves on the floor from the force).

another example is from plunging my 1.25" surfacing bit. on entry, you see that the cutter goes out of tram a small amount, then stabilises in the cut. this is plunging 1/8" deep at 150ipm - way too fast. most of this particular flex is in the round rail Z axis with the 2 bearings places close together. just alot of leverage on that small point. for drilling, as long as you keep the feed appropriate, this is not going to be causing any wandering or accuracy issues. getting the 8" axis and spacing out the bearings woul dhelp alot, and of course the square rail z axis would make this a non issue really.

the Y axis gantry back plate will also flex, but only under conditions that are likely to break something. for example plunging with the spindle off! your putting like 1000+ pounds of force on the poor thing, its gonna give.

all in all, this machine is about as rigid and high performance as you can get in this price bracket. the next step up would be something with a massive stress relieved welded steel tube structure, and at that point id just get a VMC unless you need 4x8 feet of travel etc.

alright, back to guitar gcode. gotta get necks for them bodies! :)

cabnet636
08-26-2010, 07:07 AM
comparing an x3 or a hass to the flex of the machines described is what is described by a lawyer as overbroad and un substantiated, i have seen my share of smaller table top machines and have owned three camasters in the last three years, i currently have the x3 and the stinger, the stinger is built with the stress relieved frame and all axis components are as industrial as any of the larger commercial machines they (www.camaster.com) build. this little machine will finish 3d in the 400-600ipm range

while it cost a bit more flex is not included in the machine!!

http://www.stingercnc.com/

machine support forum

http://www.camheads.org/index.php

YouTube- The New CAMaster Stinger Table Top Router

gio666
08-26-2010, 07:21 AM
why post in this thread about other machines?? your dreaming if you don't think that machine will not flex if your cutting at wrong speeds

gio666
08-26-2010, 07:36 AM
The machines you sell must not be that good if you have to try and sell in someone thread lol

gio666
08-26-2010, 07:47 AM
the machine don't flex, the 5 inch Z axis is to small for a Colombo spindle is what i see . plus having his own made swivel router mount

gio666
08-26-2010, 07:56 AM
These machines at 1/4 the cost of those over priced machines would out perform the machine you posted ,

gio666
08-26-2010, 08:01 AM
comparing an x3 or a hass to the flex of the machines described is what is described by a lawyer as overbroad and un substantiated, i have seen my share of smaller table top machines and have owned three camasters in the last three years, machine!!



Also seems if you have to buy 3 in 3 years ,they also look like a poor investment and fall apart fast ????

gio666
08-26-2010, 08:05 AM
For the price you have posted for bare machine, i will have 4x8 cheaper than that small machine??

I would never be able to look someone in the eyes and charge that price you have posted for that machine

cabnet636
08-26-2010, 08:37 AM
i posted as this was compared to and x3

here is an x3, i am a commercial end user, i sold the single head 4x8 as it was no longer needed, i have the x3 and the stinger and have ordered another as well. the new machine is to have a center lathe as to mill 24"dia x 96" length,

i am sure your machine will do well but to compare the word flex is a stretch, reasonably your machine does not appear to flex either, i watched some of the you tube vids.

gio666
08-26-2010, 11:29 AM
You posted comparing my machines to the stinger.
flex , i don't know what he trying to say
after looking on the site you linked
That machine has 75% of the gantry that has no support,
100% of gantry is supported by ( i might be wrong on size ) 6 inch wide 1/2 inch aluminum lower cross member. Thats it for the whole gantry ??? hope you don't have fans on in your shop?
The machine has no support at all where it is needed the most , the uprights,
You posted that machine in comparison to my machines in my thread ,
please if your going to post a machine in my thread , next time find a real machine to compare plz

ihavenofish
08-26-2010, 01:05 PM
sigh.

why do i even bother trying to explain things. the x3 i was talking about was the sieg x3 cast iron milling machine used along by people on these forums.

cabnet636, please at least try to think and understand what i wrote before posting and spamming another brand - particularly the stinger which is a significantly weaker and more flexy design than georges.

i thought i was doing well detailing just how far you can push the little router, but people want to flip it around. so ill just stop talking about the machine in detail. its not worth the energy.

so the simple summary: machine doesnt cost much, makes good guitars very quickly, and george is great to deal with.

once you people who've ordered get your machine, and start running it in practical aplications and find out all the intricacies of cutting whatever it is you want to cut, you will be more than impressed.

igor
08-26-2010, 01:22 PM
ihavenofish, just wanted to thank you for your very good review of George's router. It is a shame people have to slag what they do not know or are afraid of. I am suitably impressed with Georges effort, and the price he is charging makes my decision a no brainer....very good value for the money, and as far as peformance goes, you have shown it can be pushed....a hell of a lot harder than I would, that is for sure.
Thanks again for your insite and reviews

cabnet636
08-26-2010, 01:45 PM
comparing an x3 or a hass to the flex of the machines described is what is described by a lawyer as overbroad and un substantiated, i have seen my share of smaller table top machines and have owned three camasters in the last three years, i currently have the x3 and the stinger, the stinger is built with the stress relieved frame and all axis components are as industrial as any of the larger commercial machines they (www.camaster.com) build. this little machine will finish 3d in the 400-600ipm range

while it cost a bit more flex is not included in the machine!!

http://www.stingercnc.com/

machine support forum

http://www.camheads.org/index.php

YouTube- The New CAMaster Stinger Table Top Router (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2sZ59YE2gY)




what is really funny is i make no effort to slam or cause fault with georges router, only to point out there is no deflection in the x3 or any of the casmasters for that matter. i have worked hard to understand how these are built and with the components george is using i would say the only fault is he is not charging enough money, how this effects his business, customer support or delivery of the product is his concern. the components are however good quality. the camaste stinger gantry is supported against lateral deflection with a 3/4" brace mounted at a right angle to the gantry length. to imply this router is a sloppy as george states is irresponsible. i have made no mention of georges routers or the quality of them that (thru insults) has been done by george

i see no reason (other than georges negative responses) to believe georges machines are not good cnc machines.

ihavenofish
08-26-2010, 02:01 PM
what is really funny is i make no effort to slam or cause fault with georges router, only to point out there is no deflection in the x3 or any of the casmasters for that matter. i have worked hard to understand how these are built and with the components george is using i would say the only fault is he is not charging enough money, how this effects his business, customer support or delivery of the product is his concern. the components are however good quality. the camaste stinger gantry is supported against lateral deflection with a 3/4" brace mounted at a right angle to the gantry length. to imply this router is a sloppy as george states is irresponsible. i have made no mention of georges routers or the quality of them that (thru insults) has been done by george

i see no reason (other than georges negative responses) to believe georges machines are not good cnc machines.


you are just coming off as a spammer here, you just quoted your own posts and links again.

you are taking my statements and using them to spam your router by claiming yours has no deflection - which isnt true by any stretch of the imaginiation.

anyhow, this is all boring. lets get back to talking about georges machine :)

inventor83
08-26-2010, 07:46 PM
This is a short vid of my machine performing an aircut, minus any cutting. The top is engineered quartz. Nice and flat.

200ipm
30x36 frame
270 oz steppers
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The machine rips along nicely at this speed.

Youtube is being stubborn
here is the link
YouTube- P1020544

ihavenofish
08-26-2010, 08:20 PM
cool. the table is neat, but how do you plan on attachine work pieces to it?

antonzedd
08-26-2010, 09:52 PM
Its virtually impossible to expect any mechanically operated device not to have a degree of "Flex", if you knew how much your car frame flexed every day I bet you'd never drive it again. Unless your machine is made of Neutronium P140, but then it would weigh 150tonnes.

inventor83
08-26-2010, 10:28 PM
I havent settled on what i would like to do with the top yet. I may do a vac sytem, or i might drill holes in it and attach clamps. Any suggestions?

BTW-Your guitars look very nice ihavenofish, I may be making bodies aswell for a customer.

sidenote-I have 3 pieces of slate 2.5cm thick that would fit a 35x50" area. I had origionally planned to use that, but the quartz was much nicer. If you have a diamond saw blade and a regular skill saw you could cut the slate no problem. I had to cut the quartz with the same technique. Would someone like a piece? I will take a bit in exchange. I could use a ball mill..

ihavenofish
08-26-2010, 11:14 PM
I havent settled on what i would like to do with the top yet. I may do a vac sytem, or i might drill holes in it and attach clamps. Any suggestions?

BTW-Your guitars look very nice ihavenofish, I may be making bodies aswell for a customer.

sidenote-I have 3 pieces of slate 2.5cm thick that would fit a 35x50" area. I had origionally planned to use that, but the quartz was much nicer. If you have a diamond saw blade and a regular skill saw you could cut the slate no problem. I had to cut the quartz with the same technique. Would someone like a piece? I will take a bit in exchange. I could use a ball mill..

where are you?

problem with the slate will be the same as your granite though. how to put mounting holes into it. would need a diamond drill and then inserts epoxied in. should be quite nice though if it can be manages. ill have to ask some people around the shop, theres lots of glass guys.

inventor83
08-26-2010, 11:42 PM
Im in st.catharines. As for the hole drilling in slate, a standard masonry drill bit will do just fine. You are welcome to a piece ihavenofish, you must come pick it up tho:)

Here is another vid of my machine doing yet another aircut.

YouTube- 200ipm Aluminum fram cnc machine Xzerocnc

sagreen
08-27-2010, 02:46 AM
Shoot, if we are posting guitar bodies, here is one I recently made... Just waiting to get my XZero 40x60 to see how it does on this same body...

Scott...

cabnet636
08-27-2010, 06:47 AM
i will be at the iwf show, later today a large university is doing a study of table top cnc machines as there are many on the market, (some at prices that even make me wonder!!) i will see if i can get georges router included, i tried the website for specs but the site was a front page only, is there another site?

george have you considered asking the forum admin to move this to its own subforum?

jim

gio666
08-28-2010, 07:39 AM
i will be at the iwf show, later today a large university is doing a study of table top cnc machines as there are many on the market, (some at prices that even make me wonder!!) i will see if i can get georges router included, i tried the website for specs but the site was a front page only, is there another site?

george have you considered asking the forum admin to move this to its own subforum?

jim

Hi Jim , Thanks , yes i have asked and email 5 or 6 times with no luck getting a sub forum , almost done getting the supported machines out and will have lots of time to get the site with everything on it , will have vids today on all the machines , and the big RaptorX

gio666
08-28-2010, 07:47 AM
There just a little problem with the 72 supported with the larger screw and the larger ballnut, but will have that worked out today

gio666
08-28-2010, 07:56 AM
Hi bfcg , Bill , I don't know if you have been getting my emails , could you email back?

Semisentient
08-28-2010, 08:59 AM
I have missed what has been going on around here. I guess I have been having too much fun cutting stuff on my machine.

Made some speaker prototypes yesterday. MDF is pretty nasty stuff. To bad it's so cheap and appropriate for certain projects. I should really do something better than me standing with a shop-vac for dust control.

gio666
08-28-2010, 10:11 AM
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YouTube- ViperX.mp4

gio666
08-28-2010, 10:24 AM
I guess video playback must not work on here no more ?

ihavenofish
08-28-2010, 01:55 PM
I guess video playback must not work on here no more ?

yeah, i think embedded videos is disabled.

gio666
08-29-2010, 07:21 AM
Is anyone having hard time to send private messages , there is no buttons to reply for some reason ?

cabnet636
08-29-2010, 07:48 AM
yes no reply button here as well!!, george we are all good. the show was great many new table tops some truley too expensive for thier own good, georges machine would do well against them. very tired drove all night so more later
jim

ihavenofish
08-29-2010, 07:51 AM
whole pm system seems down for me

ger21
08-29-2010, 08:50 AM
The last few days we've had a ton of spammers joining and sending PM's. I think PM's are being worked on to stop the spammers.

gio666
08-29-2010, 10:09 AM
Linear Guideway machines / Raptor RaptorX
95% of machine parts and labor is made in North America
1605 , 2005 , 2505 stock , upgrade to faster ballscrews
COMPLETE Frame everything but , Electronics , Motors or Table tops

1000x15000 39 1/2 x 60 ...... $3200 for Hiwin ... $3500 for THK

800x1200 31 1/2 x 48 ...... $2900 for Hiwin ... $3200 for THK
.
600X900 24X36 ....... $2600 for Hiwin ... $2900 for THK

$200 for every foot longer in length to any of the machines
Both Hiwin and THK from the USA


Z axis 5 inch $270 8 inch $300 --- WITH COUPLING, motor mount
Z axis NSK rails $ 15
Square rail 8 inch Z $ 575 --- WITH COUPLING, motor mount

Power supply 48v/14a $90
Wiring harness $ 60
Motor kits $300, 3 270oz motors, 3 drivers 4.2a, breakout board
$325 3 425oz motors. Drivers and breakout board

gio666
08-29-2010, 10:44 AM
THK is a Japan Company , but all their rails and blocks for North America is produced in Illinois , so you know there perfect rails

sagreen
08-29-2010, 11:18 AM
George, what about the video of the big raptor?

Scott...

cyclestart
08-29-2010, 12:46 PM
george have you considered asking the forum admin to move this to its own subforum?


+1 on the idea

George's machines are attracting much more interest than some of the routers with their own subforum..

gio666
08-30-2010, 06:52 AM
Yes it would be nice to have subforum . i will have the Vids up today on those

cabnet636
08-30-2010, 07:21 AM
george most of the better machines hadve had great success with creating thier own machine owners forums, (camaster,shopbot, next wave automation etc,) at the very bottom of this page is name "vbulletin" i think they have several plans for thier forums this may help your business tremendously.

http://www.vbulletin.com/

gio666
08-30-2010, 07:48 AM
Once i get all the supported machines out , there will be lots of time to do other things that i want to do ,
I have people now that can assemble the other machines , and wait time soon will be 7 days at the most , now that all the parts are final on the new machines and there is nothing to change on them.
Now that rails are only 1 day for THK and 3 days for Hiwin , it will make it a lot faster now , Hiwin will even drop ship in USA to make it faster to the person living in the USA to get machines

buckeyes1997
08-30-2010, 08:59 AM
George has a forum

www.xzerocnc.com/forum/index.php using phpforum or some vbulletin clone.

Good to know that things are moving quicker now that you are settling into a production type setting George.

gio666
08-30-2010, 10:22 PM
Here is some fast picz of the 40x wide , i need to get acetone to clean off grease all over and then will post vid on it

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/2175/img1034o.jpg (http://img832.imageshack.us/i/img1034o.jpg/)

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/8520/img1035f.jpg (http://img185.imageshack.us/i/img1035f.jpg/)

gio666
08-30-2010, 10:25 PM
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/4936/img1036x.jpg (http://img46.imageshack.us/i/img1036x.jpg/)

gio666
08-30-2010, 10:37 PM
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2184/img1040wl.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/i/img1040wl.jpg/)

gio666
08-30-2010, 10:38 PM
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3396/img1041u.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/img1041u.jpg/)

gio666
08-30-2010, 10:40 PM
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5623/img1042f.jpg (http://img80.imageshack.us/i/img1042f.jpg/)

sagreen
08-31-2010, 01:11 AM
AWESOME! Getting closer! I cant wait.

Scott...

gio666
08-31-2010, 09:51 AM
http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/6500/img1043p.jpg (http://img709.imageshack.us/i/img1043p.jpg/)

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/64/img1044x.jpg (http://img834.imageshack.us/i/img1044x.jpg/)

gio666
08-31-2010, 09:53 AM
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/4804/img1045g.jpg (http://img716.imageshack.us/i/img1045g.jpg/)

gio666
08-31-2010, 09:55 AM
On 40x must use the heavy profile , also 32x wide too

jwalker5
08-31-2010, 09:58 AM
On 40x must use the heavy profile , also 32x wide too

George: Are you still having e-mail problems. I'm not gaetting any response from you through e-mails.

gio666
08-31-2010, 10:06 AM
Hi John , i did get that one , but didn't try that screw yet to see how they are , but i have the ballscrews for the 40x 10mm turn

jwalker5
08-31-2010, 10:10 AM
Hi John , i did get that one , but didn't try that screw yet to see how they are , but i have the ballscrews for the 40x 10mm turn

Thanks for the quick response George. Hope to hear from you soon.

gio666
08-31-2010, 10:15 AM
John . i will get the price on the corners to attach cross-braces today , in less your going to make your own , there not cheap from 8020 for those

jwalker5
08-31-2010, 10:22 AM
John . i will get the price on the corners to attach cross-braces today , in less your going to make your own , there not cheap from 8020 for those

I'll wait for your e-mail as I'm not sure what the corners are. In my mind what I needed were 3 table supports, width wise across to 40" to firm up the MDF table top. If you have any pictures you could post that would explain what you are referring too, it would help alot.

gio666
08-31-2010, 10:31 AM
http://www.8020.net/HT-Series-16.asp

jwalker5
08-31-2010, 10:36 AM
http://www.8020.net/HT-Series-16.asp

Thanks George. I'm probably going to get them from you. Let me know the cost.

alpineboard
08-31-2010, 10:46 AM
Hi George, Did you get my email and phone message confirming that we move forward? Thank you, Rob

LeeWay
08-31-2010, 10:52 AM
You can get heavy duty Unistrut brackets very cheap. I think they would outdo anything done in aluminum. Check out Mcmaster Carr for Unistrut braces and fittings.

http://www.mcmaster.com/#strut-channel-systems/=8n6i9v

gio666
08-31-2010, 11:25 AM
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/6055/img1048wh.jpg (http://img822.imageshack.us/i/img1048wh.jpg/)

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/2883/img1046u.jpg (http://img825.imageshack.us/i/img1046u.jpg/)

gio666
08-31-2010, 11:27 AM
Hi George, Did you get my email and phone message confirming that we move forward? Thank you, Rob
i will check now for email

losgetlost
08-31-2010, 04:43 PM
Machines are looking great!

gio666
08-31-2010, 04:51 PM
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/4097/img1054no.jpg (http://img192.imageshack.us/i/img1054no.jpg/)

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/2277/img1055oo.jpg (http://img835.imageshack.us/i/img1055oo.jpg/)

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/6306/img1056a.jpg (http://img823.imageshack.us/i/img1056a.jpg/)

antonzedd
08-31-2010, 04:55 PM
George, give me a call when you get a chance:)

Rick

gio666
08-31-2010, 05:17 PM
small Vid 900 IPM and 100 ACCELERATION


<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/rLMBXDftYik&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/rLMBXDftYik&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

YouTube- XZero RaptorX.mp4

alpineboard
08-31-2010, 05:24 PM
that y movement looks very smooth, good work!

gio666
08-31-2010, 05:30 PM
ballscrew not adjusted YET , just getting all the grease around in ballnut , sure it would go faster when all lined up

sagreen
08-31-2010, 09:20 PM
George,

Which motors are you running on the machine?

Scott...

gio666
08-31-2010, 09:30 PM
Those are the 270oz steppers

gio666
08-31-2010, 10:34 PM
The 425oz will do 600 IPM

gio666
09-01-2010, 07:40 AM
Found out the major problem that cause problem on the X ballscrews, , mostly on the larger machines , it is the lower cross member , the profile are not perfectly straight , also being bolted on the ends there more room for moment , cause pressure on the ballscrew and will cause screw to whip and stall , The profile are a lot stronger than aluminum plate , so don't want to make are own cross member , but small shims under the ballnut housing has stopped the problem

gio666
09-01-2010, 07:42 AM
Also the Square rail Z axis , also have in 12 inch travel

airbrush
09-01-2010, 10:43 AM
Have to post up here as I seem to never get a reply from you when I email you or private message you on this forum.

Have you sent out the tabletop and other items i've paid for...you said you were sending them out but I have received nothing yet.

When are the bosch colt mounts going to be done...its been next week, next week, which was over a month and half ago...very frustrating.

Jeff

gio666
09-02-2010, 08:24 AM
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/889/img1056e.jpg (http://img265.imageshack.us/i/img1056e.jpg/)

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/8611/img1063y.jpg (http://img841.imageshack.us/i/img1063y.jpg/)

gio666
09-02-2010, 08:27 AM
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/8956/img1060s.jpg (http://img823.imageshack.us/i/img1060s.jpg/)

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/7681/img1059s.jpg (http://img62.imageshack.us/i/img1059s.jpg/)

gio666
09-02-2010, 08:35 AM
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6963/img1064zb.jpg (http://img265.imageshack.us/i/img1064zb.jpg/)


http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/9874/img1058l.jpg (http://img840.imageshack.us/i/img1058l.jpg/)

gio666
09-02-2010, 08:54 AM
40x60



http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/8708/img1070k.jpg (http://img827.imageshack.us/i/img1070k.jpg/)

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/5789/img1072f.jpg (http://img833.imageshack.us/i/img1072f.jpg/)

jwalker5
09-02-2010, 09:03 AM
[QUOTE=gio666;818894]40x60



Good morning George: Would that be my 40 x 60 ?????

That router is amazing.

gio666
09-02-2010, 09:24 AM
Hi John , it looks the same . but that one is polished finished

antonzedd
09-02-2010, 09:27 AM
Hey George, did those THK rails come in?

gio666
09-02-2010, 09:29 AM
The regular one is shiny too , but not a mirror shine , mirror finish ones will need lots of clean after there assembled ,
also have a mirror finish supported frame too, so ill post pictures on that one to soon

gio666
09-02-2010, 09:31 AM
Hopefully today they will be here

antonzedd
09-02-2010, 09:35 AM
Call me, need to know price difference on Z rail vs. round rail.

gio666
09-02-2010, 09:44 AM
Ok i will in just a bit , Just filling out claim forum for FedEx that i have to send in

max_cut
09-02-2010, 01:23 PM
Hi,

This cnc is from George (20 x 36 unsupported), i supposed to send photos long time a go ... sorry

You can do pcb without any problem, this pcb is for surface mount IC, smaller than a dime, i put a IC, same space for pinout from other ic.

You can see you can do a little pcb without any problem, 3 types of V tools 30, 45 and 60 degrees.

The only problem it's me ... i never used a cnc ... :banana:

Have a nice day !

gio666
09-02-2010, 06:56 PM
That looks nice how you have it finished , very nice , there is a hole for the cable chain just a bit high than you put a new hole

max_cut
09-02-2010, 09:01 PM
Hi George,

I dont understand last part of your text, could you help me about this :

"there is a hole for the cable chain just a bit high than you put a new hole"

I'm not sure if you talking the lower chain, just below the motor?

I used the hole, to hold a piece of lexan and joint the lower chain to the lexan.

The photo is not very clear and the lexan is clear :)

I hope my text is clear, :confused:

max_cut

gio666
09-02-2010, 09:24 PM
You would need to use a stand off for the cable chain to mount to there

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/9227/92201092049pm.png (http://img638.imageshack.us/i/92201092049pm.png/)

gio666
09-02-2010, 09:27 PM
But you could mount it where ever is best for you

gio666
09-02-2010, 09:30 PM
Those Thompson bearing are nice color blue

max_cut
09-02-2010, 10:58 PM
Hi George,

The cnc working fine, I tried tonight a smaller IC, but no luck, the only way it's by phtographic etching.

The space between 2 leads are only 0,33 mm it's too much for my spindle and this kind of cnc, I dont think i will able to do that correctly. I will continue to test the software and cnc, maybe?.

My knowledge is basic with cnc, it's hard for a newbie ...

I dont used the good way this hole, but very usefull for me :)

Encraving it's faster than etching and no smell, no acide, the cnc do the job for you, and I dont talk drilling the holes, wow pretty machine

Very good George ... with your cnc

max_cut

gio666
09-03-2010, 06:44 AM
Thats good , i am glad you like your machine , i am sure you will learn to use it better and better as time goes on

gio666
09-03-2010, 08:17 PM
Bosch Table tops

antonzedd
09-03-2010, 09:59 PM
So this is the table top you mentioned earlier, nice. Me like:)

Semisentient
09-03-2010, 11:06 PM
Made some small desktop speakers with the CNC

http://i38.tinypic.com/23hx8pk.jpg
http://i33.tinypic.com/153u104.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/2ry3dqb.jpg

gio666
09-04-2010, 12:03 AM
Changed the Square Rails mounts to be stronger with T-nuts and 1/8 3/4 inch steel

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4784/img1075ca.jpg (http://img265.imageshack.us/i/img1075ca.jpg/)

gio666
09-04-2010, 12:05 AM
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/9850/img1076c.jpg (http://img819.imageshack.us/i/img1076c.jpg/)

gio666
09-04-2010, 12:06 AM
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6546/img1077j.jpg (http://img16.imageshack.us/i/img1077j.jpg/)

gio666
09-04-2010, 12:11 AM
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/3555/img1077l.jpg (http://img535.imageshack.us/i/img1077l.jpg/)

jwalker5
09-04-2010, 11:35 AM
George: I sent you e-mails are you receiving them?
John:stickpoke

gio666
09-04-2010, 04:42 PM
A non polished machine 40x60

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/9951/img1079xy.jpg (http://img837.imageshack.us/i/img1079xy.jpg/)

gio666
09-04-2010, 04:44 PM
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/5052/img1080ma.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/i/img1080ma.jpg/)

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/1003/img1081y.jpg (http://img695.imageshack.us/i/img1081y.jpg/)

gio666
09-04-2010, 04:54 PM
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/3739/img1082uu.jpg (http://img121.imageshack.us/i/img1082uu.jpg/)

alpineboard
09-04-2010, 06:05 PM
gio666, how much flex in the x=60", is this why your are trying new mount method? Is there anything preventing you from sistering (double up) an additional x beam on each side?

gio666
09-04-2010, 06:11 PM
The change was for the M5 bolts , there was not enough thread and was pulling out easy if tighten to much , in the 1/8 3/4 steel , so drill out steel and and used t-nuts behind,

alpineboard
09-04-2010, 06:34 PM
sounds like you needed more and better material for tightening, good. where is the 1/8 x 3/4 steel plate position, I am not getting it, photo maybe? Thanks Rob

ihavenofish
09-04-2010, 07:18 PM
sounds like you needed more and better material for tightening, good. where is the 1/8 x 3/4 steel plate position, I am not getting it, photo maybe? Thanks Rob

before he was bolting into the 1/8" plate, but it was poving not very strong threads.

now it uses the plate for support only. behind the plate is a t nut which accepts the bolt and is much stronger. with the t nuts alone, they crush the aluminium which is not good. think of the 1/8" plate as a big long washer.

theres a picture posted already, but its hard to figure out what it is i guess.

gio666
09-04-2010, 07:28 PM
before he was bolting into the 1/8" plate, but it was poving not very strong threads.

now it uses the plate for support only. behind the plate is a t nut which accepts the bolt and is much stronger. with the t nuts alone, they crush the aluminium which is not good. think of the 1/8" plate as a big long washer.

theres a picture posted already, but its hard to figure out what it is i guess.

YES you have it right , the small t-nuts is not much of a hold by them self's .

gio666
09-04-2010, 07:41 PM
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/2682/94201073511pm.png (http://img46.imageshack.us/i/94201073511pm.png/)

alpineboard
09-04-2010, 08:46 PM
got it!

gio666
09-04-2010, 10:23 PM
<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ISHJh8lBpAM?hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ISHJh8lBpAM?hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>



YouTube- XZeroCNC.mp4

gio666
09-06-2010, 03:52 PM
Raptor 24x36 900 IPM Y axis . 700 IPM X axis

YouTube- XZero CNC Raptor

jwalker5
09-06-2010, 04:04 PM
Goerge: Are you going to ship my machine tomorrow.
Sorry to post here, but my e-mails don't seem to be getting to you.

gio666
09-06-2010, 04:05 PM
i replied to you about 5 mins ago?

sagreen
09-06-2010, 09:40 PM
Raptor 24x36 900 IPM Y axis . 700 IPM X axis

YouTube- XZero CNC Raptor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ3mPKgSVow)

Jail Break!

Scott...

gio666
09-06-2010, 09:59 PM
I mostly have RUSH on

antonzedd
09-07-2010, 09:50 PM
Met with George and I got my 24 x 36 machine, its a BEAST!! Just have to get some pics done of it tonight, and hopefully get the Z axis tomorrow off George as I caught him at an extremely busy time, thanks again George!!!!

Just looking at the build quality online doesn't do it nearly as much justice as seeing it in person, I can't believe how big it is! Its monstrous.

Stay tuned for some pics late tonight, *got to get new batteries.:)

antonzedd
09-07-2010, 10:34 PM
Not sure how to post images here so here's a link to see them...

http://www.xzerocnc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3&p=44#p44

Enjoy:)

ihavenofish
09-08-2010, 12:30 AM
someone else got a nice machine delivered to them today. a 40x60 hiwin model. heavy sucker :)

jwalker5
09-08-2010, 07:45 AM
someone else got a nice machine delivered to them today. a 40x60 hiwin model. heavy sucker :)

I was the first to order a 40 x 60 machine and I still don't have it. What gives?
Ordered mine back in early Feb

gio666
09-08-2010, 08:03 AM
The 3 machines where picked up here themselves , i was going to call you today ,so we could go over the amount still on it and all the other parts you want me to get for you and send you their price on it , because i give you my price on the extra profiles to save money and easier just to send the bill of their total to you

jwalker5
09-08-2010, 08:09 AM
The 3 machines where picked up here themselves , i was going to call you today ,so we could go over the amount still on it and all the other parts you want me to get for you and send you their price on it , because i give you my price on the extra profiles to save money and easier just to send the bill of their total to you

Are all the parts we talked about ie:(table supports, router mount and cable track) already there or do you still have to hunt them down.
John

gio666
09-08-2010, 08:12 AM
Are all the parts we talked about ie:(table supports, router mount and cable track) already there or do you still have to hunt them down.
John

the profiles that i got for you and the connectors

gio666
09-08-2010, 08:14 AM
My price on the profiles is 30% off so that's what you pay too

jwalker5
09-08-2010, 08:18 AM
My price on the profiles is 30% off so that's what you pay too

I appreciate that George. But are you still tracking down the router mount and the cable track, or is everything there?

gio666
09-08-2010, 08:18 AM
As you know in Ontario you have to pay the 13% tax, so it is easier just to send you their invoice, as i only get the 13% tax back if shipped to the USA or some provinces in Canada

gio666
09-08-2010, 08:32 AM
Yes all the parts are here , like i told you in the email , i will go over the amount still owing plus all the parts , and call you .

antonzedd
09-08-2010, 08:36 AM
George you rock! This machine exceeds my expectations by 100%, I feel fortunate and proud that I gave you my business. Excellent transaction!
I highly recommend you to anyone who wants a good quality machine, it was worth what little wait time I had to go through to get it. Very happy customer!

gio666
09-08-2010, 08:41 AM
Also the price for shipping is very cheap from FedEx for machines shipped out , and going to see today if UPS will beat their price , to try and get lower pricing , but UPS customs charges are outrageous coming into Canada , so have to see what they are into the USA , as FedEx charges $25 customs charge

gio666
09-08-2010, 08:48 AM
OK Thanks , that's great to hear , i would take you up on your offer for beer , but i don't drink , lol i don't know if i am coming or going 90% of the time, so beers wont help to much , maybe if it was American beer it would be ok , lol just buggin you guys

russcluett
09-08-2010, 11:07 AM
That heavy Hiwin 40x60 is the one that I ordered in January and had it picked up yesterday. It's still under a tarp on the truck in my shop but I'm hoping to unload it and start setting up asap ... I'll keep you all posted.

max_cut
09-08-2010, 08:09 PM
Hi George,

I confirm your cnc is able to do a pcb with a space between 2 pins of 0.5mm :cheers: check the photo ... this camera is not very good quality ...

but tonight I can finish the biggest project with 100 pins model TQFP. The test is for 64 pins but it's the same model with more pins ...

YES YES YES YES YES ..... IT'S WORKING, THAT'S THE BEST SOLUTION FOR A PCB PROTOTYPE. :banana:

Last picture was for 0.8 mm between 2 pins ...

Have a good evening ...

Max_cut

antonzedd
09-08-2010, 10:29 PM
congratulations maxcut :)

gio666
09-09-2010, 07:28 AM
Thanks , good Max_cut , i am glad it works for you good , also will have vids of the small machine cutting and engraving posted today i hope , so show how strong they are for a small machine,

gio666
09-09-2010, 07:40 AM
Also MAX-CUT . I have to bring a letter head to FedEx for them to just pay you for damages to your machine, spent so much time at FedEx this month, going to ask for my own parking spot soon

jwalker5
09-09-2010, 07:44 AM
George: Any luck with UPS yesterday?

gio666
09-09-2010, 07:57 AM
They said it will be cheaper shipping to the USA , but will get full info today emailed to me , once it all get approved. It is the customs charges i am more worried about and didn't get a straight answer from them yet.On A $2000 machine FedEx customs charges are $25 now to the USA , I just know for shipments coming to Canada from UPS ,for $200 they charged $80 customs and brokerage charges which is not right

antonzedd
09-09-2010, 09:01 AM
Sounds like you got your hands full George, but did you per chance get any pricing on the Bosch Table tops for the 24x36 machine?

max_cut
09-10-2010, 08:51 PM
Hi George,

I will call fedex next week ... Thank's

This is my first video in youtube ....

YouTube - PCB Milling TQFP 64 Leads spacing 0,5mm

If you like pcb engraving :-)

Have good day

Max_cut

gio666
09-11-2010, 07:27 AM
Now have shipping from Hiwin rails worked out for the USA , also the Hiwin blocks and rails from there have warranty in the USA

gio666
09-11-2010, 07:41 AM
Hopefully by next week i will have pricing on getting my own table tops profile made and will bring price down to very good price

http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/7688/tabletop.png (http://img844.imageshack.us/i/tabletop.png/)

antonzedd
09-11-2010, 08:51 AM
cool, sounds great George.:)

antonzedd
09-12-2010, 08:37 AM
Just out of curiosity does anyone have the wiring schematic for the new power supply made in Canada. I thought I had it, but it was the China one.

ihavenofish
09-12-2010, 01:10 PM
Just out of curiosity does anyone have the wiring schematic for the new power supply made in Canada. I thought I had it, but it was the China one.

no schematic, but there was a labeled picture in the old thread. somewhere in the middle.

cabnet636
09-12-2010, 01:43 PM
george has built an excellent support forum format yet no one builds the technical support that is discussed on a post and reply forum which will eventually just slide down the ladder. by asking and answering and posting results on the the forum you will build support for your machines and owners

http://www.xzerocnc.com/forum/index.php

inventor83
09-12-2010, 06:29 PM
The power supply is wired as followed for the "Canadian made one"
Great power supply btw, more than enough power to run steppers at 8 amps per axis.

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9260/psuk.jpg

gio666
09-12-2010, 07:21 PM
30x48 Supported

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/5964/img1084np.jpg (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/img1084np.jpg/)

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2005/img1087ek.jpg (http://img13.imageshack.us/i/img1087ek.jpg/)

gio666
09-12-2010, 07:24 PM
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/6486/img1088hf.jpg (http://img412.imageshack.us/i/img1088hf.jpg/)

antonzedd
09-12-2010, 07:36 PM
The power supply is wired as followed for the "Canadian made one"
Great power supply btw, more than enough power to run steppers at 8 amps per axis.

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9260/psuk.jpg

Thanks, very helpfull info.:)

gio666
09-12-2010, 07:37 PM
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/9271/img1088n.jpg (http://img64.imageshack.us/i/img1088n.jpg/)

sagreen
09-12-2010, 08:54 PM
Thought I'd post a link to a video series that I am working on. As soon as George finally sends my machine, I'll do the video on cutting out the guitar on a mach 3 machine...

YouTube - Guitar Modeling Introduction
YouTube - Selecting Image.wmv

Scott...

gio666
09-12-2010, 09:15 PM
Those look like would be good videos to get , looks like will have to get a forum on my site just for guitars made

antonzedd
09-12-2010, 09:19 PM
what software will you be guiding your students through in the videos?

sagreen
09-12-2010, 09:29 PM
what software will you be guiding your students through in the videos?

Aspire by Vectric.. VCarve Pro's big brother...

Scott...

gio666
09-12-2010, 09:30 PM
Thats Good . i sell the Vectric software

gio666
09-12-2010, 09:37 PM
Only problem with that , is that a person just starting ,most likely not going to have or buy that software just to being , maybe Cut2d would be a better software , so they could learn the same way that you make the video

antonzedd
09-12-2010, 09:54 PM
Aspire by Vectric.. VCarve Pro's big brother...

Scott...

Sounds good, but the price tag of the software alone maybe daunting to some.

offthewall
09-12-2010, 10:51 PM
George -

How do we get ahold of you? I’ve tried 3 different email addresses info@xzerocnc.com, sales@xzerocnc.com, and the old one xzeroautomotion@live.com.

I would like to know the status of my router frame. I ordered, and paid in full on July 12th. I know that delivery is slow by reading all of the posts of customers that are waiting, but better communication would be nice.

The last time I called (one month ago) because my emails never get answered. At that time you were waiting on machining of the leadscrews. What is the status? Please try to answer emails when paid customers try to contact you.

Thanks

sagreen
09-12-2010, 11:30 PM
Sounds good, but the price tag of the software alone maybe daunting to some.

One of my beta testers is using VCarve pro, and skipping the 3d sections to create a flat topped 2d guitar.

I dont know of a cheaper solution to do the 3d modeling part of the guitar. Cut3d will only work on an existing 3d model.

Scott...

joeybagadonuts
09-13-2010, 01:29 AM
Offthewall,

What model are you waiting for and how much did it cost you?

JoeyB

offthewall
09-13-2010, 06:12 AM
Offthewall,

What model are you waiting for and how much did it cost you?

JoeyB

I’m waiting for the 30 x 48 supported machine. Paid $2350.00 for the machine plus extras (8" z axis, motors, Tapped).

I’ve read that the supported machines are a pain for George to assemble and get right. I’m considering upgrading to the square rail machine if it would be quicker to get.

I was quoted the price and 30 day delivery. I just wish there was better communication.

Steve

gio666
09-13-2010, 08:16 AM
Hi Steve , you where the last person to get a supported machine , there not many of the supported machine left, as i now have another person putting them together and i just do all the adjustment parts now .I don't think i said i was waiting for ballscrews? have lots of them for the 5mm turn ones , but i did get new bearings in now that work good and don't have to be drilled the housings

gio666
09-13-2010, 08:32 AM
I have 3 of the supported machines going out today , and hope to get the last 5 of the supported ones this week

gio666
09-13-2010, 06:07 PM
Will now have cover for the power supply's that i get made in Canada

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/8977/powersupplycover.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/powersupplycover.jpg/)

antonzedd
09-14-2010, 08:54 AM
George, give me a call when you get a min.

Rick

gio666
09-14-2010, 09:41 PM
Also have the grease for ballscrews and the bearings

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/8199/img1104j.jpg (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/img1104j.jpg/)

jwalker5
09-16-2010, 08:21 AM
Has anyone seen or heard from George in the last couple of days. Getting no response to phone calls or e-mails(nuts)

jwalker5
09-16-2010, 10:13 AM
9 months of frustration and $4000.00 later, I'm no further ahead than I was at the beginnig. After dozens of promised shipping dates and empty promises,
and after sending payment in full at Georges request, he is now not answering e-mails or returning phone calls.
I have that sick feeling in the pit of my stomach that I've been had!
If I'm right, I'll let everyone know.
If I'm wrong I'll let everyone know.
Stay tuned

russcluett
09-16-2010, 10:43 AM
Has anyone seen or heard from George in the last couple of days. Getting no response to phone calls or e-mails(nuts)

I spoke with George yesterday, he said he's been busy getting the remainder of the supported machines ready to ship and that at least some were supposed to be shipped yesterday (along with the remaining parts of my Hiwin 40x60, Z-Axis, computer, cable carriers). What I have received (actually picked up) seems extremely well designed and built, I'm looking forward to final assembly....

jwalker5
09-16-2010, 10:51 AM
I spoke with George yesterday, he said he's been busy getting the remainder of the supported machines ready to ship and that at least some were supposed to be shipped yesterday (along with the remaining parts of my Hiwin 40x60, Z-Axis, computer, cable carriers). What I have received (actually picked up) seems extremely well designed and built, I'm looking forward to final assembly....

Thanks for the reasurance. I really hope I'm wrong. It has been a very frustrating ride and just want it over. When your e-mails and phone calls are ignored, one tends to think the worst. George says my machine has been ready for weeks and has promised to ship several times in the past few weeks but hasn't. It makes you wonder why!

buckeyes1997
09-16-2010, 10:52 AM
I have been waiting quite some time also (see my other post about missed ship date) and have not received my Hiwin machine yet either. I have been in continuous communication with George and he assures me its very close to shipping. He is no doubt very busy and in all fairness I have changed my order recently to a square Z axis. I have no doubt he is legit and not a scam however his leadtimes are quite long at this point. I have heard nothing but good things about his quality so I wait patiently for hopefully an end product with SUPERB quality....albeit loooooooong leadtime.

I'm hoping he gets my machine out very soon, but I wont hold my breath until he confirms its shipped.

Hopefully George is just too busy shipping machines to answer emails lately...haha.

cabnet636
09-16-2010, 10:55 AM
I spoke with George yesterday, he said he's been busy getting the remainder of the supported machines ready to ship and that at least some were supposed to be shipped yesterday (along with the remaining parts of my Hiwin 40x60, Z-Axis, computer, cable carriers). What I have received (actually picked up) seems extremely well designed and built, I'm looking forward to final assembly....

can you post a picture of it in your shop? i got a feeling he (george) is overwhelmed

jim

jwalker5
09-16-2010, 11:01 AM
I have been waiting quite some time also (see my other post about missed ship date) and have not received my Hiwin machine yet either. I have been in continuous communication with George and he assures me its very close to shipping. He is no doubt very busy and in all fairness I have changed my order recently to a square Z axis. I have no doubt he is legit and not a scam however his leadtimes are quite long at this point. I have heard nothing but good things about his quality so I wait patiently for hopefully an end product with SUPERB quality....albeit loooooooong leadtime.

I'm hoping he gets my machine out very soon, but I wont hold my breath until he confirms its shipped.

Hopefully George is just too busy shipping machines to answer emails lately...haha.

Thanks for your response
I hear what your saying, and most of the time I feel the same way. I think if george didn't make continuous promises he can't keep, (and he must know he can't keep) people would not be so frustrated with him.
Only time will tell if I'm right or wrong.

Streamside
09-16-2010, 11:22 AM
I tought mine might ship this week, but after reading the last few posts I am not as hopeful now!

Kevin

jwalker5
09-16-2010, 11:32 AM
I tought mine might ship this week, but after reading the last few posts I am not as hopeful now!

Kevin

And that's the problem ( I hope the only problem). I really don't get it. Why continually say it will be shipped out when he must know it will not. In my opinion it's either a delay tactic or he has no idea at what stage the machine is at. I just don't know. It is a very strange way to do business, especially when you are just starting up and want to make a name for yourself. Hopefully everyone is wrong and George is right (I would like that!)

antonzedd
09-16-2010, 11:40 AM
I can faithfully say George is a straight shooter. And yes he is very busy getting these things together, just hang tight he always delivers.:)

jwalker5
09-16-2010, 11:47 AM
I can faithfully say George is a straight shooter. And yes he is very busy getting these things together, just hang tight he always delivers.:)

AH but will I live long enough to see it???

jwalker5
09-16-2010, 12:01 PM
AH but will I live long enough to see it???

I heard that!

buckeyes1997
09-16-2010, 12:01 PM
AH but will I live long enough to see it???

HAHA too funny. I feel your pain here also. I dont doubt George is a good guy and a quality vendor, but like jwalker mentioned the amount of times I've been told it will ship this week or its getting packed today etc makes you wonder and get frustrated. We live in a society of 'instant gratification' and thats what we are all used to having so when we have to wait for something we get frustrated.

I originally went with George's machine because it looked like high quality and I figured it would save me the time of designing and building it myself. I assumed I didnt have the time but with as long as this has taken I might have been able to design and build one myself. Im also sure it would have cost more to build myself but I would have been making chips by now. At the time I bought my machine from George I sold my other CNC thinking it would be a swap but I've been without for months. Playing with our CNC machines is like an addition that needs fed regularly and Im suffering from withdrawl..haha.

Anyway hopefully George is getting them out and will respond to emails accordingly.

Good Luck!!!

jwalker5
09-16-2010, 12:11 PM
HAHA too funny. I feel your pain here also. I dont doubt George is a good guy and a quality vendor, but like jwalker mentioned the amount of times I've been told it will ship this week or its getting packed today etc makes you wonder and get frustrated. We live in a society of 'instant gratification' and thats what we are all used to having so when we have to wait for something we get frustrated.

I originally went with George's machine because it looked like high quality and I figured it would save me the time of designing and building it myself. I assumed I didnt have the time but with as long as this has taken I might have been able to design and build one myself. Im also sure it would have cost more to build myself but I would have been making chips by now. At the time I bought my machine from George I sold my other CNC thinking it would be a swap but I've been without for months. Playing with our CNC machines is like an addition that needs fed regularly and Im suffering from withdrawl..haha.

Anyway hopefully George is getting them out and will respond to emails accordingly.

Good Luck!!!

Thaks for the good words.
My wife says we can make a baby faster than that, but I tolder I want a router instead!

cabnet636
09-16-2010, 12:17 PM
i will fire an employee in a heartbeat for saying something to simply get me to go away for now!

kinda like a thirteen year old who's favorite statement is "i know, i know" wondering how long you will stand there!!

russcluett
09-16-2010, 12:36 PM
can you post a picture of it in your shop? i got a feeling he (george) is overwhelmed

jim

Hopefully this works ...

jwalker5
09-16-2010, 12:39 PM
Thanks to all for cheering me up on this cold rainy miserable day. Its good to know that others beleive there is light at the end of this very long tunnel.

jwalker5
09-16-2010, 12:45 PM
Hopefully this works ...

I was told by George that everthing was ready to go with the 40 x 60 machines. If that is true, why are you still waiting for the rest of the parts. If they are not available, that may explain why mine has not been shipped.
I hope you don't mind me asking?

cabnet636
09-16-2010, 01:08 PM
Hopefully this works ...


excellent, you are gonna appreciate the iron table you have it on as a tabletop router is not without inertia!!!

russcluett
09-16-2010, 01:33 PM
I was told by George that everthing was ready to go with the 40 x 60 machines. If that is true, why are you still waiting for the rest of the parts. If they are not available, that may explain why mine has not been shipped.
I hope you don't mind me asking?

Sorry, I can't explain. I'm also waiting for parts that I was told were ready and have been paid for ... That being said, I am trying to maintain confidence that they are on the way shortly .....

jwalker5
09-16-2010, 01:38 PM
Sorry, I can't explain. I'm also waiting for parts that I was told were ready and have been paid for ... That being said, I am trying to maintain confidence that they are on the way shortly .....

No problem
I appreciate your reply. Hopefully you will be up and running soon.

russcluett
09-16-2010, 01:38 PM
excellent, you are gonna appreciate the iron table you have it on as a tabletop router is not without inertia!!!

Thanks James, I think you're right. That is a pneumatic clamping table I've used as a base, it weighs > 1,000 lbs. It has crossed my mind that one day I could build a gantry directly on it and turn it into another CNC machine. I think I need to learn how to use one first though ....

cabnet636
09-16-2010, 03:16 PM
i built a heavy wood table with 6x6 legs and my tabletop still shook it!!

gio666
09-16-2010, 10:10 PM
I was told by George that everthing was ready to go with the 40 x 60 machines. If that is true, why are you still waiting for the rest of the parts. If they are not available, that may explain why mine has not been shipped.
I hope you don't mind me asking?

Hi John . i picked up the extra profiles you wanted on Tuesday , i didn't get a chance to get the boxes for the three of them , as i cannot fit in the box the machine is in , but this will be the last time i sell something that is not part of the machine ,that i sell with it , every time i do something for nothing , it always fails on me some how , so never again , all this and i gave it for my cost price and didn't charge a penny,

gio666
09-16-2010, 10:49 PM
Here is the prices for the Colombo spindles , people are asking for , price is 10% off with machine

0.4 HP, RV 42/1 FP1 CPE 11 DX, Electric Spindle, 230
V, 18000 RPM, 300 Hz, 2 Pole, Dwg #42E145
FEATURES:
Cooling by shaft driven fan
Tool clamp by collet ER 11 for max tool shank 1/4" dia
Includes hex type collet nut - 17mm
Weight: 4 lbs
Single bearing front and rear
List price: $986

RV:S73E477-2D
2 HP, RV 73/2 FP1 CPE 20 DX, Electric Spindle, 220/380 V,
18000/24000 RPM, 300/400 Hz, 2 Pole, Dwg #73E477/IN..
FEATURES:..Cooling by shaft driven fan.
Tool clamp by collet ER 20 for 1/2" diameter max tool shank.
.Includes UMER 20 collet. Nut
List $1777

PN: RV:S55E389-1.5,4
1.5 HP, RV 55/1 FP1 CPE 20 DX, Electric Spindle, 460 V,
18000 RPM, 300 Hz, 2 Pole, Dwg #55E389..
FEATURES:..Cooling by shaft driven fan..
Tool clamp by collet ER 20 for max tool shank 1/2" dia..
Includes collet nut..Single bearing front a...
List $1078

1.5 HP, RV 55/1 FP1 CPE 20 DX, Electric Spindle, 230
V, 18000 RPM, 300 Hz, 2 Pole, Dwg #55E389
FEATURES:
Cooling by shaft driven fan
Tool clamp by collet ER 20 for max tool shank 1/2" dia
Includes collet nut
Single bearing front and rear
List Price $1078

3 HP, RV 73/1 FP1 CPE 25 DX, Electric Spindle,
220/380 V, 8.6/5 A, 18000 RPM, 300 Hz, 2 Pole, Dwg
#73E695/IN
FEATURES:
Cooling by shaft driven fan
Tool clamp by collet ER 25 for 5/8" diameter max tool
shank
Includes collet nut - Mini type
Weight 18 lb
List Price: $1725

gio666
09-16-2010, 11:12 PM
Changed the table top design , price will be around $28 a square foot

TOLERANCE (UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED)
.X .03 .XX .015 .XXX .005 ANGLES 0.5

gio666
09-17-2010, 12:09 AM
All i have been doing is trying to get out the rest of the supported machines and Square rail machines , but mostly the supported ones i trying to get all out , then will free up so much time for all the rest of the machines , and the 2 new machines that i have coming, when all these are out , because the 2 new ones will be the most popular of the machines , but not selling till all these ones are out and new machines are complete

jwalker5
09-17-2010, 08:02 AM
Hi John . i picked up the extra profiles you wanted on Tuesday , i didn't get a chance to get the boxes for the three of them , as i cannot fit in the box the machine is in , but this will be the last time i sell something that is not part of the machine ,that i sell with it , every time i do something for nothing , it always fails on me some how , so never again , all this and i gave it for my cost price and didn't charge a penny,

As I am a newbie to CNC, In my mind the table supports are critical if I use MDF decking. I have not seen any postings of table tops that are cheap enough to get right away. I had no idea that the supports were an add on as you say. I don't know about anyone else but I really don't want to spend a great deal of time finding ways and parts to get the machine up and running. I know there will be some work involved but I'm trying to minimize what is left to do. The root of my concern is simple, if you can't do what you say you are going to do, when you say you are going to do it. let us know. Knowing why something isn't done, is easier to deal with than thinking you are being ignored. You could save yourself a whole lot of greif if you would communicate.

antonzedd
09-17-2010, 08:53 AM
Hey Jaywalker5,

please cut George some slack, he explained whats happening already. I'm sure you'll be more than please when your machine is in your shop and running.