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    Some Questions. Spindles, Drivers, etc

    From what I've read the overall impression of Zen Toolwork's CNC machines has been excellent,
    however I have a couple questions.

    For assembly, I'm not mechanically(I know more in the way of electronics) gifted.
    I can follow directions, take my time, research online, and use a variety of tools.
    I'm assuming with common sense I can assemble it?

    Does Zen Toolwork's spindle work well (relatively speaking) for a lot of wood, the occasional PCBs and a bit of aluminum ?

    I've heard of people saying chopper based drivers get hot,
    make your steppers hot and such. At $90 for there's is there anything that is significantly better for say $50 more?
    Would linisteppers be a significant upgrade?

    Since I live out here in Hawaii the humidity is 70% to 90%,
    will I have rust issues or can I just use WD40 for the body and lithium grease for the screws?

    Finally is there anything near Zen Toolworks 12 inch CNC machine in price that's more capable?
    I'd like to have a higher Z axis, but from what I've seen nothing seems to compare in price and positive reviews.


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    Since I'm affiliated with Zen Toolworks, this reply may be taken as a bias point-of-view, but I swear to be truthful...


    If it helps, my 4-year old daughter assembled the 1212 and 0707 with me. She seemed to get it, unlike my 6-year old boy who couldn't keep his eyes off of the TV.

    Documentation is available online and so is an immense amount of support from both ZTW and the community (forums.zentoolworks.com). It should be pretty dummy-proof.

    The spindle is awesome. The CNC and spindles are purposed for soft elements and general wood carving. We don't really support metal work and usually suggest using a Milling machine instead.

    Drivers are where people start to get confused or misled. 9.999 times out of 10, any problem with either A) the driver card, -or- B) the axis motors, will be due to configuration and not hardware. I would research heavily on which driver to use. Obviously you will need a 3axis card but think ahead -- will you be adding another sooner or later? All drivers run hot I think. Its the motors you want to keep from being too hot which is controlled through correct or incorrect driver configuration. Anyway, we test each 3axis card prior to shipping to ensure they work as expected.

    Stainless steel guide rods and fasteners do not rust. The lead screw or the fastening screws are the only thing that may be subject to rusting and they respond the same as any other screw of same character. The wood screws have a coating on them from the factory. I would judge this based upon the how metals respond in your area.

    I have yet to see any CNC system big or small compare to the prices at ZTW. Most businesses are focused on growing the business, but we're focused on growing the community (at almost any cost).

    Oh, I too would love to have the height extended. In fact, I'd love to have it where the customer can simply enter how much travel they want on each axis. We do have an extension for the X-axis (7" to 12"). These options will come sooner or later, but no official statements can be made about them yet.

    However, our foremost concern is the system balance and load path. These are very important since the basic structure is strong or weak based upon where the loadpath is on each axis. If we change the height, even a little bit, the loadpath changes which will most likely weaken another area of the frame or axis. Another issue is time. We all have hectic full time jobs because the prices are low enough to basically cover operating costs, and that's it.

    Bottom line, this is a DIY kit and you are free to hack it up to your liking. It's purposed for beginners and professionals who need something that simply works that they can customize at will. So, extend each axis as you want for testing. If it doesn't work, you can always set it back to the way it was. Use any frame-based material that is study and non-flexible and post questions and progress on the active forums where you will receive feedback and advice. Who knows, maybe you'll come up with the official "home-made" Z-axis extension for the Zen DIY CNC Kits.


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    Alright assembling this won't be a big deal.
    I just need to do it in a room free of my 5 younger siblings


    I'll be milling wood for the most part, I think it's generally considered soft unless I work with Ipe(no I won't work with Ipe, it's very hard to work with ) I may do some PCB work, will it handle it well ? Nothing extremely complex, maybe a bit of SMD.

    I'll keep on top of machine oxidization with some form of oil or silicone.
    For drivers I'll go with what you sell because I've done the part sourcing, hair ripping, and diagnostics with various projects of mine

    My primary reason for purchasing the CNC machine is for engravings, inlays, and the like. I have used Blender for couple years, and Maya for a few years before that.
    Since I am out in Hawaii tourism is rather big, I've seen a potential market for quality woodwork that's not insanely priced.
    If I do decently with my small business venture I'll be back for upgrades so I can put out some "interesting" work to push the limits.

    I understand what you mean by keeping everything low priced and having a community based business model. It's sort of hitting that philosophy Blender, GIMP, Ubuntu and EMC2 do.


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    Just a quick note. I was were you are several months ago and went with the 12x12. You won't be disappointed. The support you will get from their company and the users is invaluable. I'm also waiting patiently for the higher Z axis upgrade but in the meantime it seems to do everything I need. Again support is very important in a project like this and they are the best.
    Dale


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    For my money you can't beat this company. Great product and even better support from them and the user's group. I was where you are 6 months ago and have not been disappointed with my decision to go with the 12x12. I'm also waiting for the Z axis upgrade but in the meantime it can do a lot.
    Dale


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    Thanks bluemax for the input..
    I am planning on purchasing the 12X12 soon.
    Isn't the 3d printer upgrade a z axis upgrade?
    Even if there is never a Z axis upgrade you seem to have a ton of possibilities.
    I'm hoping within 1-3 months I'll have the CNC machine in my hands, I just need to liquidate some stocks.

    In the meantime I will model stuff in Blender for future projects.
    It makes me feel so excited that I will be working with GIMP, Blender, and such to create reliefs.
    Perhaps I can use a 100 milliwatt or so laser to add some shading?
    Can I do multiple passes with different tools with EMC2?
    Last edited by jm82792; 07-09-2011 at 05:08 PM.


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    JM
    I think the 3D package is for the 7x12 and 7x7 packages only. Also I'm not familiar with EMC2 as I use Mach3.
    Good Luck
    Dale


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    Thankful for the information
    I'll probably learn EMC2 since I seem to learn complex software packages without too much pain.


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