Gremlins in the control

[daisydog]

My 2007 shop sabre with servos has developed some behavior problems.

The machines problems started out with the z axis not stopping during setup and crashing into the spoil board. I thought this might be a one time thing or that maybe operator error was the culprit. Next problem the feed speed pays no attention to the programmed speeds (even when testing with old files that used to run fine), at 200% the listed speed is 600 or more always and somtimes the bottom speed is higher then the 200% speed. Next up and this is a doosey, the tool touch command has always ran at a default speed, now it runs at program speed which it thinks 600 ipm or higher is a good speed. The last time I used the tool touch the spindle took off like it was on fire and ran past the touch switch and maybe would still be going if I had'nt installed crash limit switches.

That last fiasco caused me to stop using the machine till it's fixed. I'm concerned for the machines and my health, if trys any more tricks who knows what might happen.

I ran a new version of AVG V.8 and there were only some cookies that were cleaned up, no serious problems were found.

I think the problem lies in the Wincnc software.

Anybody have any experience like this or know a possible fix?

I have contacted Ben at Shopsabre and expect his reply shortly, he has been
helpful but the problems seem to be moving around.

Thanks, Joe

[cabnet636]

can you post uour winini file?

jim

[Harryman]

Maybe it got corrupted? Can you reinstall?

To eliminate some future possible problems, I'd recommend you set up your computer as a dedicated sole use machine. Nothing on there except what you need to run your router and not networked or online. Keep the nasties out.

[daisydog]

I would like to post the ini file but I am unsure how to, would you please explain?

Thanks, Joe

[daisydog]

The computer is dedicated for the Shopsabre controller only. I briefly hooked up to the internet with an air card to activate and run the anti virus sofrtware. The computer is stripped down to the essentials to run Wincnc.

Thanks, Joe

[cabnet636]

open explorer, go to wincnc file and open, copy and paste a file called "wincnc config", it will look like a notepad with a gear on it, do not remove this file from wincnc it is what runs your machine. i will pm you my number if you have a problem

jim

[cabnet636]

this is a default winini file from thier website demo


[Demo Mode]
demomode=1

[Timer Card Settings]
timertype=7200

[Pulse Outputs]
steppulse=p5d5
maxstepv=50000

[Smoothing]
g09=s30

[Table Size for Viewer]
table=x0 y0 w48 h96 b1

[Laser]
laser=t1 p100 d95 m1

[Tool Changer]
atc1=a2

[Spindle Speed]
da=t1 v10
spindle=t1 r18000

[Axis Settings]
axischar=XYZW

[Velocity Groups]
vgroup=fxy
vgroup=xy
vgroup=z
vgroup=w

[X Axis]
axisspec=p0 s1 d1 r500 o1 e1 a1000
axisvel=r1800 f800 s50 m400 h1800 c10

[Y Axis]
axisspec=p0 s0 d0 r500 o1 e1 a1000
axisvel=r1800 f800 s50 m400 h1800 c10
axislo=p3 b5

[Z Axis]
axisspec=p0 s2 d2 r100 o1 e1 a500
axisvel=r100 f50 s5 m20 h100

[W Axis]
[axisspec=p0 s3 d3 r100 o1 e1 a500
[axisvel=r100 f50 s5 m20 h100

[Arc Settings]
g2modal=1
arc_err=.01

[Soft Limits]
lolim=x-1 y-1
hilim=x51 y51 z0
lobound=z0
softlim=1

[Abort Cushions]
lim_cnt=10
esc_step=10
lim_step=10

[Aux Outputs]
auxout=c1p4b0
auxout=c2p4b1
auxout=c3p4b2
auxout=c4p4b3
auxout=c5p4b4
auxout=c6p4b5
auxout=c7p4b6
auxout=c8p4b7

[Aux Outputs]
auxin=c1p0b0
auxin=c2p0b1
auxin=c3p0b2
auxin=c4p0b3
auxin=c5p0b4
auxin=c6p0b5
auxin=c7p0b6
auxin=c8p0b7

[G28 Settings]
g28move=z-.25 w-.25 l10 m1 f200
g28move=x1.5 y1.5 l20 m1 f200

[File Types]
filetype=*.TAP;*.BMP;*.NC

[daisydog]

Hello,

I finally have a chance to reply sorry about the delay. Here is the ini file.
Jim from Shop Sabre did some adjustments and it is for a 48x60 machine so it may not look exactly like you might expect.

Thanks Again,
Joe

[cabnet636]

here is your winin file in print and it looks good! is your machine steppers or servos?

have you run it with this ini file? the acellerations on the z look high, how ever my experience is limited to steppers!

jim

[GLC Cue]
[Timer Card Settings]
timertype=7200
steppulse=p10d10
g09=s30
maxstepv=50000
accel=s50

[Axis Settings]
axischar=XYZA

[X Axis]
axisspec=p0 s0 d0 r2619.0476 a1200 o0 k1
axisvel=r600 f600 s20 m100 h600
Axislo=p3b1
altaxislo=p3b5

[Y Axis]
axisspec=p0 s1 d1 r2619.0476 a1200 o0 k2
axisvel=r600 f600 s20 m100 h600
axislo=p3b2


[Z Axis]
axisspec=p0 s2 d2 r2000 o0 a1000 k3
axisvel=r1000 f200 s5 m20 h200
axishi=p3b3
altAxislo=p3b0

[A Axis][this is 4th axis]
axisspec=p0 s3 d3 r500 o0 a2000 k4
axisvel=r2000 f1000 s5 m20 h2000


[Arc Settings]
arc_err=.01

[Soft Limits]
lolim=x-1.5 y-1.5
hilim=x60 y60
lobound=z0
softlim=t1m1

[Auxin]
auxin=c1p2b6
scan=t2a2c1s50h.10f100p30d20
auxout=c1p7b7
auxin=c2p2b5 d5 o1
enab=c2 m"Emergency Stop"

[G37 settings]
g37=x-1.38 f20
[G28 settings]
G28move=x.5y.5f100
g28move=z-.5f50

[Abort Cushions]
lim_cnt=20
esc_step=3500
lim_step=300

table=x0y0h96w60

[Data Directory and Search Wildcard]
filetype=*.TAP;*.NC;*.H;*.txt;*.mcx

[daisydog]

Thanks for looking Jim. I have servos. I am going to go over this Monday with Ben if possible. I'll post any progress.

Thanks All,

Joe

[daisydog]

Hello, I spent about an hour on the phone with Ben from Shopsabre recently and he got most of the problems fixed up plus a few convenient adjusments. I still have a fear of the z axis moving after the key page down or interface button is released. I am very cautious and slow when setting z0. This problem is intermittent and seems to have no pattern so it is very hard to work on.

I have a new controller project. I just bought a used Multicam with an older controller everything is clean and in good condition, however the command console is not working. If I can find a working one or fix this one fine if not I would like to switch to a Wincnc controller if any of you have experience at this type of project please let me know if this is a good idea and what.

Thanks Again,

Joe

[cabnet636]

if it has a pulse signal need it can be retrofited w/ wincnc, i have done it!!

has the multi got nema 34 motors