Chinese Welders

[hybidder]

....and your ignorance is revealed by your belief that one can produce high quality parts in a similar manner and timeframe as a quality machine on machines that are practically fit for scrap iron as soon as the cosmoline is wiped down. (Not talking all imports, mainly Chinese)


...and "But if only the tools would make the machinist" A true "machinist" won't work with the crap you are pushing. A true machinist takes pride in his work and the means by which he accomplishes such. Can you honestly say you would be proud to own a shop full of Chinese iron? Nevermind, I can tell from your comments you already do or aspire to.

"Honestly, the free trade agreement that Bush made with China screwed our economy and sent a lot of jobs over-seas. If it helps your economy that's great. But in America, I think our trade agreement with China only made the incredibly rich people incredibly richer and put a lot of people out of work."

How could you make a statement as the one above and still advocate "chasing their dream" via Chinese iron? Sounds more than a bit hypocritical to me. I'm all for chasing dreams, but just trying to keep those dreams from becoming nightmares for some here.


Stick to your hobby and leave real machine work to the pros..

so again,

If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch.... and out of the way of the professionals...

[mc-motorsports]

Wow! That was flames. No, I wouldn't be proud of a shop full of Chineese equiptment and I don't own any Chineese equiptment. Maybe you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth or won the lottery, that's great. I just give more credit to someone who is self made and starts with little or nothing or what a median income can afford.

But that being said and I don't support or encourage chineese crap, but if that's what it takes to start, then I say do it. And yes, I started with nothing and yes, I do very well for myself.

Thank you.

[Degrom]

LOL...

I think that is the main thing about production of goods that a lot of people don't take into consideration. Technology changes everything.

The resister used in a Miller and the resister used in a Mi-Tech is one and the same thing.(Properly both are produced in China as well)

So why should I pay more for Miller resister. Cause they provide support when it blows up?!?!

Well if the MiTech blows I can also get the replacement parts. Some of the new Chinese machines even has a 3 year warranty.

I am not saying stop buying proper machines.

I am saying China is learning from its mistakes. Its improving its products and investing in Technology as mush as it can. ITs revising problems and rectifying them as soon as they happen. All the same characteristics that made America the leading economy.

For America to stay ahead hard work is needed... (as with all things,getting to the top is hard,staying there is even harder!!!)

....and your ignorance is revealed by your belief that one can produce high quality parts in a similar manner and timeframe as a quality machine on machines that are practically fit for scrap iron as soon as the cosmoline is wiped down. (Not talking all imports, mainly Chinese)


...and "But if only the tools would make the machinist" A true "machinist" won't work with the crap you are pushing. A true machinist takes pride in his work and the means by which he accomplishes such. Can you honestly say you would be proud to own a shop full of Chinese iron? Nevermind, I can tell from your comments you already do or aspire to.

Stick to your hobby and leave real machine work to the pros..

so again,

If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch.... and out of the way of the professionals...

[rharter52]

hybidder-Well said,I couldn't agree more.I have been to china,they put on a good dog and pony show but you can see through their act.Their deliveries suck and their quality leaves alot to be desired.If you factor in shipping costs their prices are not much lower than ours are.I have been in this business for 38 years and have watched it slowly blow up.One good thing about getting old is I wont be around to see us become another third world nation.

[Degrom]

Those companies that you mentioned are the monopolies of the indistry.(Boc imports welders from China and brand them with their logo's)

Once again the Chinese manufacturers were clever, they designed their welders to use commercially available parts. Parts like tips and welder cables that can be bought a at you your local welding shops.

I do agree 3-in-1 = 0.5 at any one job. That is why I went with the better rated DC welder. $100 but its good at what it does.

The chines manufacturing sector is also changing tactics and they are now not just making the welders but also replacement parts for them as well.Building a better infrastructure for the future.

I am not trying to sell the chines welder. I am just saying:
I have worked with those nice water cooled 3phase Millers and I have bought one of these Chines DC inverter welders and they are great for their price and what they can do.

(One tip. Don't trust sales people,politicians,governments or people that want to giving you free money

I see you posted a link in NZ. There are a lot of junk welders sold in NZ, and european/american welders are expensive here. I am going to ship a miller tig welder from the USA, this will save about , and the parts are available here.

Even with a brand name welder, there can be delays in getting parts in NZ. I shudder to think what might happen when a welder goes south that does not even have a brand name, and you need service from a company that is not a welding supplies specialist.

Go through boc, weldwell, or one of the other real suppliers, at least. Ask their reps for colourful stories about chinese welding machines..

Also watch out for 3-in-1 machines. Only the very expensive ones are truly 3-in-1, the cheap ones have nice tricks like giving you 1/3 of the rated power into each.. nice.

Edit - I was told by a rep (call it marketing bs if you want, but the twitch in his eye looked authentic) that he would quit on the day they made him sell chinese welders. Also, your school should be able to get you a nice educational price on a welder. Last thing, if you will ever be using the welder for commercial purposes, register for GST and claim back the 12.5% tax.

[GiantTechGuy]

LOL...

I think that is the main thing about production of goods that a lot of people don't take into consideration. Technology changes everything.

The resister used in a Miller and the resister used in a Mi-Tech is one and the same thing.(Properly both are produced in China as well)

So why should I pay more for Miller resister. Cause they provide support when it blows up?!?!

Well if the MiTech blows I can also get the replacement parts. Some of the new Chinese machines even has a 3 year warranty.

I am not saying stop buying proper machines.

I am saying China is learning from its mistakes. Its improving its products and investing in Technology as mush as it can. ITs revising problems and rectifying them as soon as they happen. All the same characteristics that made America the leading economy.

For America to stay ahead hard work is needed... (as with all things,getting to the top is hard,staying there is even harder!!!)

GiantTech machines have a 3 year warranty.

[longevitywelder]

Longevity Welders and Plasma Cutters are similar units you are inquiring about and Longevity has a full inventory of parts. We cover return and replacement shipping within 30days and offer a 3-year warranty.

Let me know if your have any questions,

Thanks

[Palm]

Weve been importing china TIG machines for 2 years- we use one in our shop every day- never a problem.
For around a grand its hard to beat a QUALITY china welder that is AC-DC TIG and stick all in one machine.

Joe

[Rattletrap]

No offence, but China is buying your freedom. Mine is not for sale.


I had an Italian welder, it was like $600 for an inverter type scratch start TIG and worked GREAT! Didn't last too much longer than a year, but if it means the difference of getting started or not it might be a wise investment to try to save some initial capital. If your just starting out, I would buy an import, perferably not Chinese, inverter type TIG and save money for the real deal, I.E. Miller, Lincoln. Once you own an inverter type welder, you will never go back to an old school transformer type, it's ancient technology plus inverters are a lot more power efficient. But I wouldn't buy a low end AC welder for aluminum, your going to spend atleast $2k for a good aluminum welder and there is no way around it. Good luck!

I too was looking at the more inexpensive welders. I too looked at the Italian welder. I read everything I could on all of them.

I spent a little extra money and got a Lincoln Invertec 205 over the chinese trash. I'm glad I did. I got the better machine because 90% of what I'm doing is aluminum and everything I studied screamed dont do an inexpensive welder.

[Toysrme]

Make sure it is a Riland (Rhiland) welder. They are OK while most of the others are increasingly poor clones of theirs.

As long as it runs the first could of days you'll be alright. Most minor malfuctions can be repaired by yourself once you go out of warranty. The cheap HF DC tigs are alright, but you're better off saving for a real AC/DC welder.

They are very stout plasma cutters, but require changing consumables more often.

One of the main things is keeping the HF's spark gap correct. It needs to be checked every day you plan to weld it. If its not going to be moved once setup prefferably take the cover off of it and leave it unscrewed for inspecting.
You'll probably need to replace every single worm drive hose clamp with small T-bar hose clamps to be able to hold the pressure of the argon line.

[cNcCharlie]

You folks are talking about Plasma cutters and Tig welders... but are there inexpensive Mig welders from Italy or China? 250 amp?

[GiantTechGuy]

You folks are talking about Plasma cutters and Tig welders... but are there inexpensive Mig welders from Italy or China? 250 amp?

Yes there are and within the next few months GiantTech will be offering them.