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    Default Re: Chinese XK7130 a complete experience Review!

    Quote Originally Posted by mpilon View Post
    Congratulations Chris for this discussion. It is very interesting and very informative about a new perspective in this market!

    I discussed with Fred yesterday as I am tempted by the characteristics of this 7130.

    Fred offer turnkey solution with KND or GSK or Siemens. In my case I design with Fusion 360 and then use Mach3 to run the G-code. I would not mind using whatever controller that can drive nicely and smoothly my g-code. I do not know these KND GSK Siemens controller but what is appealing is that the machine may run not too long after I receive it. The question : do you think one of these CNC package installed by Fred can be a success ; if so is there one that may be a better choice?

    Marc


    Edit : I use Fusion 360 ; there are post processors available for Siemens (many), one is available for a GSK, and none for KND. ; the Siemens option is above 2000$ more than KND.... Now I do understand the route Chris took.
    Mpilon,

    When purchasing the machine I was informed that the low cost Chinese systems did not offer smooth arc m movements but rather small lines to make up the arcs, this was unacceptable for my application. Whether I was misinformed or not I don't know as that was difficult to determine through conversation with Fred, he insisted that it wouldn't do true arc interpolation. So be sure you get what you need in the control system!

    Chris

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    Default Re: Chinese XK7130 a complete experience Review!

    Hang in there Chris. LinuxCNC has a steep learning curve but it's totally worth it! I would echo what others have suggested in focusing on getting the basics going first before you dive deeper into Path Pilot / the ATC. There's help out there. Get an IRC client running and join the chat rooms. Mesa's after sales support is terrific too.



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    Default Re: Chinese XK7130 a complete experience Review!

    Hi i would propose to get the machine run using close to Standard config with Mesa Card and linuxcnc if you get the drives Limit Switches and spindle to run the translation to pathpilot is done in an Hour ... atc wise i might be able to help doing an Box which behaves As an atc control from pathpilot Point of view means it has USB and some Relais done ...


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    Default Re: Chinese XK7130 a complete experience Review!

    Chris First I would like to thank you for your very informative post

    I have read your complete post several times and thought you had said somewhere that you mentioned you have made a list ( check list) to make it more simple to order a machine with different configs.

    Would you mind posting me a link to the company that supplied the tooling package that you used?

    Also I would like to go down the Lcnc route. Did I read somewhere that you had got Fred to terminate all the wiring ( motors, drives, estops and homing switches etc in a control box for you). Clive



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    Default Re: Chinese XK7130 a complete experience Review!

    Great read! Like the rest of the crew here, waiting with baited breath to see those first parts roll off the line...

    Hoping you are getting somewhere with the Linuxcnc. I am just completing a new build (small shop-made machine) and had looked into the Linux options.

    I finally decided on Mach3 for the simplicity. But a LinuxCNC can't be too far off in my future. The Linux community is hard to beat - and some patience may prove to be the most valuable currency in this equation.

    Good luck! Looking forward to reading about the final progress.

    Scott



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    Default Re: Chinese XK7130 a complete experience Review!

    Any updates?



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    Default Re: Chinese XK7130 a complete experience Review!

    Yes an update would be nice, Im really tempted getting one.



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    Default Re: Chinese XK7130 a complete experience Review!

    Hey guys I'm still in a holding pattern with deciding what to do with the control situation. In the interim in continuing with the small CNC mill I build almost 8 years ago.

    The last few days I've been getting wires for some of the available Chinese controllers. Specifically looking at the newker-cnc NEW1000-Micb-5 (5 axis version for future expandability) with new absolute servos and drives, also waiting on quote for an Adtech CNC controller. So far it looks like it would be around $2600 shipped for everything. Below are some concerns and benefits of I decide to go this direction..

    Pros

    - plug and play wiring
    - ATC support
    - Oiler support
    - 5 axis linking
    - Absolute feedback no homing limit switches required
    - Absolute encoders 17bit 130000 lines vs differential 5000 lines
    - designed specifically for spindle Servo type Sandler motor with rigid tapping
    - Automatic screw error compensation
    - User definable macros
    - Plenty of user definable inputs and outputs
    - Easy step by step box entry machine setup procedure to marry control and machine requirements.

    Cons:

    - No built in probing routines ( not sure how to add them but guessing its with input for the probe and a macros function)
    - cost.. already have servos and driver installed, wasted money, already purchased mesa hardware and computer, more wasted money
    - I would list customization but I'm not sure that would be an issue since the controller is already 5 axis capable and allows for macros.
    - not alot of reviews on this controller that I've found
    - support from China, not super warm and fuzzy feeling

    I have enough cash stashed away barely right now to cover the cost of the new controller and Servo/drives etc, but had already earmarked those funds for some other much needed some upgrades.

    If I had someone local who was good at Linux CNC it would be an easier decision, but having one person street my decision making on controller and then abandon me when the time arrived has left me a bit gun-shy.

    I'm taking the weekend to contemplate this as well as research more on the control and how to use probing as it's an important part of my requirements. It's been excruciating walking around the machine for the last few months especially when wrestling with the small machines shortcomings.

    Any experience with these controllers is greatly appreciated if you could share!

    Apologies for the delay for those interested!! But hopefully something gets moving shortly!

    Best regards,

    Chris





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    Default Re: Chinese XK7130 a complete experience Review!

    This is the controller in looking at...



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    Default Re: Chinese XK7130 a complete experience Review!

    What exactly is the hold up with LinuxCNC currently? I see a page back where you mention Mach3 spindle indexing, and then another mention where you thought you had support and it disappeared. Otherwise it sounds like you have all the hardware and the software to get going?



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    Default Re: Chinese XK7130 a complete experience Review!

    I have all the hardware for Linux CNC but none of the understanding of how it works, I've been a Mach 3 user for the better part of a decade, but would not date use it on this Machine as a crash would be devastating I'm sure.

    If it was a basic setup in sure I could work out linuxcnc, but with the tool changer, someone indexing, rigid tap, oiler etc.. the programming is so far out of my understanding that I would have to depend on someone else again and that just makes me a bit nervous

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    Default Re: Chinese XK7130 a complete experience Review!

    I've read your posts, gotten advice from you many times, from that you seem more than capable. This thread alone is proof. Start small and build up to it. Are you going to have a fully functional machine right off the bat? Absolutely not. Go axis by axis, get comfortable there. Get some basic machining worked out, no ATC, not rigid tap, no frills. Once that works, introduce the additional variables item by item. You will likely see the same learning curves with other controls just the same.



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