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    Hello,
    Thanks hab82 for your email info. I sent email to Jan Bos, he replied me very fast. He asked my proof of payment and some emails to Defeng. Do you think Jan Bos can push Defeng to solve the problem. I hope he will resolve soon the problem.



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    What is the height, length and width of a Skyfire SVM-2 VMC Workstation with an ATC? The dimensions on their brochure doesn't make any sense it says 1000mm height that's only 39 inches high.



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    In the pdf that Jan sent me a couple weeks ago the Vmc and workstation are. Both listed as LWH 950*1500*1700mm.

    According to him they will not for through a standard 36" door, but shipping them un-assembled is an option.

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    LOL.....a standard 36" door......has anyone seen the layout of the SVM series of mills......I have the SVM-0 with the enclosure and it needs to be either forked front on.....which presents a maximum width....... or lifted with ropes (that is a challenge of huge proportions due to the absence of lifting points) to present a side profile for narrow openings.

    I moved my SVM-0 on a pallet lifter and then an engine crane to lift it onto a work bench.

    I think if I remember rightly that the SVM-1 and 2 have a heavy steel base that weighs a ton or more.....definitely fork lift territory or a crane if you have clearance above it.
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    PDF for the SVM-2 machines I received is attached.

    Yes, the SVM-2 with the enclosure and stand comes in at about 1500lbs. The comment about going through a 36" doorway was because that is what I need to do. I do not have a dedicated shop space and this machine needs to go through a door and into my basement. I could remove the door temporarily, but I would rather not. Jan proposed to me that the machine be shipped with the enclosure removed and machine off the stand. They would provide a lifting bar for safely moving the machine onto the base using an engine lift or similar. The machine base also comes with heavy machine casters so it can be moved around without too much difficulty.

    I just recently got a South Bend Fourteen into my basement through that same doorway. That lathe is about the same weight as the SVM-2 and much more top heavy. You work with what you have I suppose.

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    Thanks to Ian and hab82 that given me Jan Bos email. After having communications with Jan Bos by email, I have received my R8 spindle from skyfire cnc. I also ordered a controller box. After having discussion with Jan Bos and due to it was ordered long time ago, I do not need the controller anymore for right now. He recommend me to refund the money, I have received my money. I have not much problem to refund the money, but it took longer time to get R8 spindle from Defeng. Jan helped me alot to get the spindle. So that I recommend you to contact Jan Bos for everything about Skyfire CNC. He is the man for skyfire cnc. Good product.



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    Default Re: Skyfire CNC owners?

    I'm tempted by one of these machines but this thread is putting me off, not sure i want to buy into a long wait. Are all these issues now resolved and people getting their machines within stated time frames or are these elastic lead times on going?



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    The last person I know that has one was 3 months, china to Australia delivered to his door. https://www.youtube.com/user/DCTTeacher1. yes Ian another Aucker with one he's a real nicest guy.

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    Thanks yeah Ive seen his video. Dereng is saying 2 months in an email to me. so maybe I can take him at his word. Certainly looks like a great machine for the money.



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    Hi, not having any vested interests in the machine I bought......namely the SVM-0 model........ all I can say is that with the limited use I have put it to the outcome has been very satisfying.

    The build is top notch and I doubt you would consider it just a hobby mill as some have said.

    You didn't actually say what model you like as there are various build options on all models.

    I think the lead time quoted is for a standard build in stock without any personalisation which would otherwise put the time frame back a bit.

    It does pay to get the full packet as shipping will be much cheaper than if you order extras afterwards.
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    It's a semi Commercial/Hobby machine Ian, if it was full commercial it would be the commercial controller only version, not the other 2 Hobby/semi commercial options plus a commercial version, Theres a few places over there that do the samething.

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    I have been Looking quite seriously at the SVM-1VMC industrial. it fits all my needs at the right price, as far as I can see there are other manufacturers doing a similar thing( sieg). but nothing as well put together as this on the face of it. Ive asked for a quote anyway and see what is said as far as shipping lead time.
    It seems a shame that this company got off to such a rocky start, it certainly lessens my confidence. I hope they are now a more stable company and seem to be. it would be great to see a community of owners.



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    Hi, Yes, the Skyfire range has been designed from the word go with the aspect of pure CNC as opposed to a manual retrofit.

    If you wert to our local machine tool showroom and browsed the CNC stuff available (one) you would be looking at A$20k + and that doesn't include the local A$350 delivery.

    Be aware that you would also have to arrange the arrival costs of port fees, brokerage and delivery on top of the China price.

    If you buy from your local machine tool dealers, all that has been built into the selling price plus their mark up.
    Ian.



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    Hi Everyone, I finally decided to go for a VMC2 Skyfire after Aaron got his VMC1, sent the deposit last week to Jan Bos. He said 45 to 55 days, I'm in Los Angeles. I loaded it with all the goodies except the 25K side mount spindle. I did upgrade to the 10K main spindle, ATC, 6" 4th axis, flood coolant, mister system, and Adtech 4650 Industrial controller. I've been watching them for about a year and this thread. I searched high and low for a Haas mini mill with no luck, nothing that satisfied me. I have a Charter oaks machine that I built with hiwin rails on the Z axis which changed things for the better dramatically, love it. It's a nice machine with quick change tool changer, 3 HP baldor with VFD drive. Can be used in CNC or manual mode. It's possibly for sale if anyone has a buddy that wants a nice machine in the LA area.

    So here's a question for you guys, I just bought a Tormach Rapid turn to hopefully use on the VMC-2. Does anyone know off hand what servo spindle motor setup they are using on the VMC-2 and the wiring these days?, I can't seem to find it and I don't want to bother Jan. The Rapid turn has a what seems like a VFD motor on it that tormach just plugs into the Rapid turn to make it think it's the spindle. Makes sense, easy-peasey. So I believe that I could possibly do the same thing by using a Skyfire spindle motor and swapping the stock Rapid turn motor with another Skyfire motor or similar. Code would be fairly easy although Tormach scares you saying it will only work with Path Pilot. BS I believe. Just a matter of swapping the axis's. Mill Z would now be X when using Rapid turn, Y on the mill would become X for Rapid turn. I'm excited about this and should make a nice CNC machining center.

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    Hi, when you consider the possibilities that package can give you....made in America is suddenly a reality.......just have to invent your own product to go flying.

    20 years ago all this would have been a misty dream....now it's an every day occurrence.....best of luck.
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    Hi Roadstercycle, the Skyfire machines in South Africa are spec'd with a Sinee VFD (EM600) and MK Servo motor (DH08) I can't be sure what specification you will be receiving in the states. The Adtech control however can handle 2 spindle outputs, so why not just get another vfd and avoid having to change wiring when running the rapid turn, seems like the easiest solution. I'm sure Jan would be happy to provide you with info on your spec. Also we have only used the Adtech CNC4640, I'm assuming it would be the same.



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    Thank you for the info, I'm assuming it is going to be the Servo motor setup as it has the 10,000 rpm spindle with the ATC so it needs to index. I don't think a VFD can index but I'm no expert. But like you said if it has the second spindle control it really does not matter. I'm going to be running the Adtech 4650 5 axis controller so it should be the same. I was laying in bed last night thinking that because of the high speed 2nd spindle add on that it had to have a way to control that through the Adtech but was not sure until you mentioned it this morning. Great timing by the way. I agree with getting another VFD as that would be the best/easiest solution since that's how Tormach is controlling the Rapid Turn. So that is awesome!!!!! Now I have to see where I can plug in the RPM pickup for the Rapid turn into the Adtech. Again thank you. I have been looking at the Adtech wiring for a couple days now trying getting a handle on it.



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    I am also interested in this machine - but certainly concerned about the sketchy past. For 10 years, I owned and operated a business with 3 in-house Haas machines - 2 of them were 5 axis. While I have no expectation that a machine like this will even come close to the Hass machines - it appears that it will be great for my garage shop.

    It sure would be a bummer if I put out $18k and the machine never arrived or had missing things. Maybe I will contact the USA person and voice that concern. I don't mind waiting, but 60 days is already a long wait. @Roadsercycle - I am also in the LA area - if I order one of these we should probably trade stories.

    I don't know of any other machines in this range that can do rigid tapping which is one of the biggest drawbacks of the Tormach's for me (along with the horribly slow spindle on the 1100). I have an email out to Skyfire Angel Yin to see how they can ease my fear of being strung out.



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    Quote Originally Posted by rx8pilot View Post
    I am also interested in this machine - but certainly concerned about the sketchy past. For 10 years, I owned and operated a business with 3 in-house Haas machines - 2 of them were 5 axis. While I have no expectation that a machine like this will even come close to the Hass machines - it appears that it will be great for my garage shop.

    It sure would be a bummer if I put out $18k and the machine never arrived or had missing things. Maybe I will contact the USA person and voice that concern. I don't mind waiting, but 60 days is already a long wait. @Roadsercycle - I am also in the LA area - if I order one of these we should probably trade stories.

    I don't know of any other machines in this range that can do rigid tapping which is one of the biggest drawbacks of the Tormach's for me (along with the horribly slow spindle on the 1100). I have an email out to Skyfire Angel Yin to see how they can ease my fear of being strung out.
    I definitely feel your pain. I anguished over this for a long time and after a guy in LA got his delivered and Aaron on youtube in Australia got his I figured it was going to be OK. The only thing I worry about is a the USA getting into a trade war in the next 60 days. I deal with Jan Bros and he's been really straight so I think it will be fine. The Skyfire guys really are working hard to make a great machine. I shopped the Tormach and for the same bells and whistles it was almost $5000 more and they don't have hiwin rails. I believe Tormach is way over priced and I am really hoping that the Skyfire comes through with a great machine. I feel they will or I would have not put down a $9000 deposit. Time will tell I and I am jazzed about getting it. The Haas mini mill is over $30,000 grand. I'm sure it's not apple for apples trying to compare but it is a ton more cash.



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    Hi, it would take more than 60 days for a trade war legislation to eventuate, even if the 2 parties could agree on the terms and that would probably only manifest itself in a 2% tariff on all imported goods etc........so, "he who hesitates is lost".

    I would think that as America hardly makes anything anymore that China wants or imports, the trade war aspect would never happen.

    What would affect any importer more is if the dollar value plunges against the Yuan like our OZ $ did against the US$ back in 2014 when I bought my mill from Skyfire.

    Having paid up front for the mill when the OZ$ was at parity with the US$ I then had to pay a higher price for the importation fees due to the OZ $ dropping to below 70 cents in the US dollar.......Skyfire prices were all quoted in US$ at the time of ordering and our import fees were later based on the devalued OZ dollar.

    When you go to buy a used car from a dealer you don't know you go by somebody's recommendation, so as there are dozens of satisfied customers for Skyfire products I would not hesitate.
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