Lesson 1 proposal/suggestion.

[kenlambert]

I just wonderd what salty ment I had never herd that term used. I woild pay the 695 if and go if I could aford it , with just starting to take some courses in cam my funds a depleated. 5000 would realy hurt, maybe Bobcad would work you a deal if you got intouch with the right person, worth a try.

[sorincnc]

Paul and Ken,
Bobcad sells seminars for $650 if you are willing to attend a class. The seminar lasts 3 days. That is an average of about $230/day for training. The $5,000 is for a "on site" seminar. That means, I have to get a plane ticket, rent a car, hotel and be at your place for 3 days training up to 6 of your emplyees (if you had that many). This is not for everybody but if you had a shop that big with that many employees, then will be worth it (remember, the norm fee is $650/person times 6..) Some of the bigger shops and companies did this. Actually, my wife come up with the plan of doing the seminars at a hotel and have everyone shar in the expanses. That makes it more affordable. Anyway, this is NOT why I got involved with this thread. Not to get you to come to a seminar, just to be able to help you guys that can't afford it to be able to use Bobcad and make some chips. I hope that I didn't offend anyone. If so, then I apologize.
If you guys need any more help or any videos, please let me know what I can do to help.
Best regards,
Sorin

[jonbanquer]

"Bob and I have become friends and we are trusting each other."

It would be nice if Bob*finally*recognized that the "official" BobCADCAM manual and the "official video" are not adequate in any way, shape or form and hired you to redo them as no progress in presentation format appears to have been made in this area since V18. The current Video / Manual support system that is now in place is broken beyond repair and it will not be fixed without making a change in personnel. Not trying to be a jerk but FACTS are FACTS. Perhaps a reassignment of tasks is in order instead of a parting of the ways ? Don't know. Not my business. What I do know for SURE is that something needs to change and should have been changed by now. The posting of your videos was like a breath of fresh air.

IMO, $650 for a three day seminar is very inexpensive. As has been previously covered, for various reasons, some people can't attend a seminar. This is why I proposed selling the videos / etc. as well. Perhaps the problem is that doing so would compete with the "official" BobCADCAM video's ? If this is the case please see my first paragraph of this post.

I am working on a list of issues that you asked for input on and that I think should be covered and will post it shortly.

Finally I would appreciate you forwarding my post to Bob. You can even tell Bob you and I don't always / ever (your choice) get along and that my opinion is based solely on *how content is presented* and on *nothing* else... no matter what someone else might care to argue.

jon

"I may have many faults, but being wrong ain't one of them." ... Jimmy Hoffa

[sorincnc]

Jon,
I don't work directely for Bobcad and I really don't want to get here into Bobcad bashing. This started as me ofering to take someone up to their question on how to do a sample part. That was it.... I have never seen the videos or read Bobcad's manuas. Don't have time for that. I have spoken to hundreds of people at my seminars and I get mixed responses regarding the videos...I don't have any interest in becoming a critic nor a editor for the videos. What I did for you guys is what I do at all my seminars every week. You and I have spoken long time ago and you know that I am a machinist by trade not a computer geek. Maybe that is the reason that I might come across to you better....I don't know. Anyway, this is the last post that I will respond to in regards with Bobcad's videos, manuals etc. I will only respond to questions regarding help. This is really making me feel unconfortable and that is not what I am looking for or what I had in mind when I offered to help. I hope that you can respect the way I feel. Once again, I am not interested on bashing or promoting and CAD-CAM software, I just want to share what ever I know with everyone else.
Best regards,
Sorin

[kenlambert]

Sorin
I understand the charges and will do a seminar when the time is right and realy do apreciate the help and all on the site , I may have been misunderstood about my question because I didn't understand what salty ment and I understand that everyone must make a profit. I had my own shop for years till my illness took afect and am now trying to learn a new trade so I can get back to work, I think this is the trade I want to do,and should be able to do it. I am just trying to learn all I can .thanks for all the help.

[wtbaker69]

I followed the links to the download site. Today is 01/14/2006 and it claims the project ID is invalid. Out of date and deleted? Would love to look at them.

Wes

[sorincnc]

Ken,
Ididn't mean anything about what you have said. I was answering to Jon and his remarks about Bobcad and Bob personally. I didn't think that this thread was about what is wrong or right with Bobcad. This started as a simple thread on how to do a simple part. I still don't know how we got to all the flaming about Bobcad....perhaps that needs to be taken to other threads not in this one. Regardding the message that wtbaker69 that the files were deleted. They were removed after 1 week from the server. These are the rules on that site. I am in Chicago right now and will be flying back home tomorrow afternoon. I will try to post them back again tomorrow evening. My wife has a surgery Monday and I will like to get all this done before that. I will be in Atlanta next Tue. so it needs to be done as soon as I get home so you guys can have the files.
Best regards to you all,
Sorin

[kenlambert]

thanks and hope all goes well with the wife.

[tjones]

OUT OF DATE AND DELETED!!!!!

It was a free sight and I guess they dont keep them there for long. Took me almost a week to get one of them posted due to failures. I am not sure I will keep posting them there if they only last for a month or less.

[tjones]

If I had the money for the extra cost to have a fixed IP I would do them at my home. The transfer rate is not a problem and I have a Mac that loves web sharing. The only problem is with no fixed IP I would have to update a link every few days.

[jonbanquer]

As asked for and as I promissed... BobCADCAM areas that I feel need to be covered:

How to created tapered walls on a pocket and on an island.

How to make Boolean solid construction faster / easier.

Surfacing toolpath tips.

Toolpath verification is badly lacking in BobCADCAM... what can be done to deal with this ? What do you do ? External verification program suggestions ? Sometimes cutting a solid is very helpful to conceptualizing what is going on in a non-trivial part. Verification/Visualization is so important that one CADCAM program use to be called Virtual "G" and another one is called Visual "M".

Scripting:

While I don't think it's appropriate to try and teach programming / scripting from the ground up I do think it's appropriate to show what kind of scripts you are using / can be used and to take as complete as possible approach to showing the power of BobCADCAM scripts.

Specifically: Showing how scripts you are using help make program construction easier. Examples of easier would be a slots script, G12, G13 scripts, Custom machine canned cycle scripts.... not full detail of the exact code in the script but more like attempting a comprehensive approach to what can be done with scripting. Note: It seems to me that what you did in the Approach / Depart Video with trimming back to cut possible wasted material should most definitely be done in a script as this is something many BobCADCAM users would use all the time. Why do it manually if it can be scripted ?

Programming for Horizontal mills with rotating tombstones with say different parts or different sides of the part being machined or just one part but 3 sides being worked on... does it make sense to start working in 3D for this ?

Lathe programming: Needs to be covered.

jon

"I may have many faults, but being wrong ain't one of them." ... Jimmy Hoffa

[kenlambert]

http://www.savefile.com/projects.php?pid=130512


see if you can get this video for those that didn't get it the first time It is from sorin on 2d to solid to 2d