"Not seen this mill before" thread has been moved...

[zephyr9900]

...to the "Benchtop Machines" forum. It would have been nice for whoever who did the deed to at least announce it here--there was a decent amount of Tormach discussion going on...

Randy

[justgary]

Hey, we could all go over there and talk Tormach until they move it back! I hadn't posted to it, but was interested in the discussion.

- Just Gary

[philbur]

It seems that comparing the Tormach with other machines is unacceptable on the Tormach Forum. I wonder why?

Is this the thin end?

Ooops maybe I'm not allowed to say that either!

Phil

[LeeWay]

These Forums are so vast and intimidating that I am willing to overlook some threads being misplaced. Good thing I ain't a Mod here.
I am at the point in my business where I think it would be beneficial to have a second cnc mill.
The one I built works all the time. It is able to keep up with my production pace, but would like to ease it's burden some.
For this reason, I am seriously considering a store bought mill.
I like to see threads that compare others with Tormach. It will still be a year or two before I have my second shop finished, but then I want a Tormach.

[sharpshooter90]

Originally Posted by philbur It seems that comparing the Tormach with other machines is unacceptable on the Tormach Forum. I wonder why? Is this the thin end? Ooops maybe I'm not allowed to say that either! Phil

Paying that banner ad each month gives you a lot of leverage on this forum. The fact that Tormach is constantly exercising that leverage leads me to think that there is a serious struggle going on.

[justgary]

If I had a product on the market and saw a direct competitor pop up, I would take it as a serious struggle too.

Phil, what's the equation for the force multiplication one gets from advertising leverage?

- Just Gary

[philbur]

Machinery's Handbook define it as follows:

advertising leverage = (monthly payment x number of months remaining on the contract) x (1 + probability of renewal)^3.

units are dollar-months.

Phil

Originally Posted by justgary Phil, what's the equation for the force multiplication one gets from advertising leverage? - Just Gary

[justgary]

Phil -

Thanks. I think that they simplified it just a bit. They forgot to subtract any negative leverage due to prepayment of contract months. All in all, the probability of renewal term most likely washes any negative effect of prepayment.

Regards,

- Just Gary

[LeeWay]

You guys are stock brokers ain't ya.

[justgary]

More like stock broken.

- Just Gary

[zephyr9900]

Originally Posted by philbur It seems that comparing the Tormach with other machines is unacceptable on the Tormach Forum.

Phil, I doubt that Tormach influenced moving the thread, especially given that people were starting to point out how much of a poser the Mikini mill seems to be (a significant part of the claimed weight must be in the "fully cast base", for example and not in the machine structure itself). I was happy for the thread to be where it was. To be fair, Phil,you didn't start the thread as Tormach-related--it was others who did that afterwards...

Randy

[philbur]

Did I say I thought that Tormach had influenced the move.

I don't accept the "poser" accusation. The total weight is the total weight, clearly it included the stand as it is integral with the machine. The machine is obviously a serious attempt. A person doesn't go to all that trouble for a “quick smash and grab".

To be fair Randy I thought the comparison with the Tormach was obvious and of interest, without the need to spell it out.

I don't claim the machine is either good or bad, but I do think it is interesting enough not to be dismissed out of hand.

Just a few thoughts
Phil

Originally Posted by zephyr9900 Phil, I doubt that Tormach influenced moving the thread, especially given that people were starting to point out how much of a poser the Mikini mill seems to be (a significant part of the claimed weight must be in the "fully cast base", for example and not in the machine structure itself). I was happy for the thread to be where it was. To be fair, Phil,you didn't start the thread as Tormach-related--it was others who did that afterwards... Randy