New Tormach ??? $$$

[twocik]

Did the Tormach go up in price or is this a new version of the Tormach ?


http://www.tormach.com/Product_PCNC_main.html


If so what has changed ?

[joeybagadonuts]

Some one needs to pay for added costs.

[philbur]

Read here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tormach1100/message/3378

Phil

Originally Posted by twocik Did the Tormach go up in price or is this a new version of the Tormach ? http://www.tormach.com/Product_PCNC_main.html If so what has changed ?

[twocik]

So $600.00 more for a spindle upgrade....

[sharpshooter90]

In a prior post someone predicted that the spindle upgrade and Z travel upgrades would become a standard feature at an increased cost. The ads showing the machine for 6800.00 are strictly taken from traditional Detroit auto promotions where they show the deluxe model, but quote the " no hub caps " price. Realistically, if you want a machine ready to work, the price will be on the high side of 12000.00.

[philbur]

This is simply not true. If you look at the banner at the top of the page for this forum, what you see is what you get. It's a fully functional machine. I know I bought one, how about you? If you want bells and whistles then they come extra - as always.

Phil

Originally Posted by sharpshooter90 The ads showing the machine for 6800.00 are strictly taken from traditional Detroit auto promotions where they show the deluxe model, but quote the " no hub caps " price. Realistically, if you want a machine ready to work, the price will be on the high side of 12000.00.

[sharpshooter90]

I can imagine you sitting cross legged on the floor in front of this unit, but if you want to stand up and run it, add;
Stand & guard 1550.00
vise 595.00
machine arm 295.00
computer & cables 1000.00
proprietary tool set 750.00
Plus a myriad of clamps, cutters, ad infinitum
My point is not to put them down, but be realistic about what the true cost of a functioning machine will be. As I said before, its the old Detroit game to get you into the dealer with the " no hub caps" price and send you home with the "20 year undercoating", " extended warranty" etc.

[philbur]

Stand & guard 1550.00 - not essential. Much lower cost options are possible.
vise 595.00 - much cheaper options, not from Tormach.
machine arm 295.00 - A bell or possibly a whistle.
computer & cables 1000.00 - Most people already have one.
proprietary tool set 750.00 - not essential, a few R8 collets will do.
Plus a myriad of clamps, cutters, ad infinitum - much cheaper options, not from Tormach.

Call it the old Detroit game if you like. How would you propose they handle the sale of extras or none essential items. I call it tailoring to your needs. It is perfectly clear that the price is for the base machine. I have seen no ads with the base price splashed across the "delux model". Perhaps you could provide a link to one.

I have no problem with critical posts directed at Tormach, but they at least have to have some foundation.

Phil

Originally Posted by sharpshooter90 I can imagine you sitting cross legged on the floor in front of this unit, but if you want to stand up and run it, add; Stand & guard 1550.00 vise 595.00 machine arm 295.00 computer & cables 1000.00 proprietary tool set 750.00 Plus a myriad of clamps, cutters, ad infinitum My point is not to put them down, but be realistic about what the true cost of a functioning machine will be. As I said before, its the old Detroit game to get you into the dealer with the " no hub caps" price and send you home with the "20 year undercoating", " extended warranty" etc.

[norvil1]

sharpshooter what is the serial number of your tormach? if i remember correctly aren't you the guy who was preaching the virtues of the shoptask machine?

[RTP_Burnsville]

I am a new Tormach owner and the cost has been about $8K to get started. The only extras have been a PC (used IBM $250), stand (free + paint $5.00), vise (used $100), Misc tooling (Enco, CDCO, etc $500). Most anyone should be able to get up and running for about the same cost. Sure you could be lazy and have one stop shopping but why? A couple hours shopping either online or locally will yield a very good payback (based on your example about $4k). Where else are you going to make $1k per hour???. Just my opinion.
Robert

[philbur]

Look like I spoke to soon. Look at the new banner at the top of this forum page. It is a bit naughty. Shouldn't they be saying something like "from $7,480", which everybody understands as; what you see is not necessarily what you get.

Phil

Originally Posted by philbur .... I have seen no ads with the base price splashed across the "delux model". Perhaps you could provide a link to one. Phil

[sharpshooter90]

Maybe its my fault- they might have taken my post as advice. The machine pictured in the 7480.00 ad will cost you over 15000.00 according to their website. As I said before, I have nothing against their products- they are probably as good a value for the $ as any out there. What I object to is the advertising which can easily lead a newbie down a garden path.