A word of warning for Syil X3 owners

[Greolt]

Using my Syil fitted X3 today and something went "POP"

CNC side of things stopped working. I thought "That doesn't sound good""

Anyway shut it down and removed the rear casing which holds the Syil electronics and to my horror I found everything
covered in fine aluminium glitter. You will know of what I speak if you have machined much aluminium with small cutters.

It was all inside the power supply and drivers and just everywhere. Not just a little bit. Lots of it.

Now I thought "Wow!! This is going to be expensive"

Pulled it all down. Opened the drives and power supply and carefully blew all the glitter out.

Reassembled everything and power supply and drives would light up. Looks not so bad maybe.

No power to the Breakout board. Turned out to be the small transformer that supplies the BoB had kicked the bucket. Not related to glitter at all.

A simple $5 part. More by good luck than good management let me assure you.

Now the moral of this long story is that it could have, and probably should have, been a lot worse.

Don't let this happen to you.

I think I will have to move all that control gear to a better location. In a box somewhere else, or something.

[Pres]

Besides noise & heat isolation that's another good reason to make power supplies remote
at least, whenever possible.

The "all-in-a box" approach seems nice and convenient, however....

Pres

[Greolt]

I think you missed my point Pres

In this instance there is no heat or noise problem. The fact that there in the same box is not the problem. That is all quite reliable.

Now protection from swarf ingress !!!!!! That's another matter.

The Syil converted X3s, which there are plenty of, are set up like this and owners need to be aware of this potential hazard.

[Pres]

Sorry, I thought all that "glitter" was from the "pop" you heard.
Could have been an electrolytic capacitor or ?? that blew inside the cabinet.
I've cleaned out much swarf (or "glitter") from blown power supply components that looked shiney - just like swarf.

Actual chips, or coolant, usually just blew a fuse.
Pres

[Greolt]

My bad Pres.

I should have been clearer. When I said glitter I was refering to the small chips you get by the bucket full when cutting al with little cutters.

The kind the Boss is always complaining that I walk all over her carpet.

Using an air blast to clear chips means that a lot of this stuff ended up in the control box.

More specificaly, all over the printed circuit boards. See what I meant ?

Potential for a whole lot more damage than a blown fuse.

[syil]

any quality issue please let us konw.
we will help customers solve all problems.don`t worry.

we notice resently sieg baord IC parts change a lot of.so maybe our speed upgrade board not suit for this(i mean samll board,right now G- control board quality it is stable)
so,right now we have been stop provide the samll speed update baord for conversion customers.and only provide G control board(spindle,coolant together)
any more problem please let me konw.

Syil will concentrade quality and service for all of our customers.
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[SyilAmerica]

I'm quite surprised you are finding shavings inside the back casing. I'm wondering it is something to do with you being one of the first machines off the assembly line. All the machines we have are sealed. I can't see anyway of chips getting in there.

I've been making huge messes of chips in the last two weeks and opened up the back to find..... nothing. Maybe a photo would help.

[Pres]

When Greolt stated "When I said glitter I was refering to the small chips you get by the bucket full when cutting al with little cutters."
Perhaps he ran the machine with the electronics door open or ajar?
A small gap can admit alot of chips when blown with an air hose.
-or- there is some gap (however unlikely) from manufacture?

Hopefully, he will tell us where they came in from.

Pres

[Greolt]

Originally Posted by Pres Perhaps he ran the machine with the electronics door open or ajar?

Pres I take it you are not familiar with this machine. It has no door.

Originally Posted by SyilAmerica All the machines we have are sealed. I can't see anyway of chips getting in there.

Now that's interesting. Mine is certainly not sealed.

On further inspection I think I can make up something to do so.

Would you be so kind as to supply a picture of the Syil piggy back box not fitted to machine.

Also one of the Sieg enclosure without the piggy back attached and without the original cover in place.

Thanks, Greg

[Pres]

Sorry, I should have called it a cover, not a door!

[BrendaEM]

If chips are getting in there, it looks like a job for: Duct tape!

[Greolt]

Originally Posted by Greolt Would you be so kind as to supply a picture of the Syil piggy back box not fitted to machine. Also one of the Sieg enclosure without the piggy back attached and without the original cover in place. Thanks, Greg

Not being a customer this might be a bit much to ask of SyilAmerica.

Is there any Syil X3 owners who could help me out here?

I need to manufacture some sort of sealing baffle for this.

It would give me a good idea of what Syil have done.


Thanks, Greg