X3 CNC retrofit kit from Syil

[Greolt]

Please I don't want this thread to be a bashing of Syil.

All up I am impressed with the Ballsrew, Nuts and Bearings part of the kit. No comment on the rest yet as I haven't got that far.

Most of the mods I have had to make most likely stem from variations in the base machine from the factory.
And also my desire to retain the full Y axis travel. Those are my mods.

I am only pointing these things out so that people will know what to expect if going with Syil.

Now obviously I have a couple of problems.
The screw end, X axis bracket made back to front and some bits that were promised left off the order.
But I fully expect those things will be quickly remedied by Syil.

So lets give them a chance hey

[Ron111]

Greolt,
You have a good attitude, and I am sure that Syil will make it right. We just want to see your machine up and running and you happy with it. You are right that we must give Syil a second chance.

Hang in there,

Ron

[patrickm]

Originally Posted by Greolt Point taken jl123 I meant no offence. Thanks for your kind offer. Can you tell me with the driver in the photo what the dip switch settings are for 10 microsteps? Thanks Greolt

Hi Greolt,

A while ago I found this document on the website from Syil:

http://koeienuiers.nl/document_libra...otordriver.pdf

I am not sure if you have a similar driver but you might want to check it out.

Patrick

[Greolt]

Thats great. Thank you Patrick.

I have asked for this and the same for breakout board a few times.

So far Syil think I am asking for instructions to assemble the screws, mounts etc.

That is pretty much done already but info to hook up electricaly is desirable right now.

Thanks again, Greolt

PS, you wouldn't happen to have one for the break out board by any chance

[philbur]

I guess HF, Grizzly and all the others have got the quality market sown up. Duh.

You seem a little bit over critical, what’s your specific problem?

Regards
Phil

Originally Posted by Ron111 Greolt, I'm personally very disappointed in what Syil tried to slip to you. That ball screw should not have been shipped. Syil, I hoped that you would provide a quality conversion kit for the X3, but when I see low quality work coming from you to a fellow machinist, I think you, maybe are only interested in making mony instead of providing a quality product. We work hard for our money, and we do not like to be sold inferior products or to see our friends cheated with inferior products!! Syil, If you make a quality product, we will gladly buy it, but if you sell crap, we don't need it and we don't want it. You have an opportunity to make this right by replacing this ball screw and giving us assurance that you will never sell inferior products like this again. I am sure that others share my concern. Ron

[Ed from NY]

Originally Posted by Greolt ... You can just see that the back end of the screw was coming up against the column. So I machined out a recess for it. It's about 12mm deep. ...

Greolt,

Is that a plate you drilled or did you machine the column itself. I ask because if I were to make the mod myself I would not have a second mill to machine the column, but I could cut a plate without one.

Thanks!

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EDIT: Doh... never mind I see it is the column itself

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[Ron111]

Phil,
You are right, I was being a little over critical, and as Greolt pointed out, Syil needs a little time to correct a couple QA issues with the X axis motor/bearing mount and the Z axis ball screw.

By the way, How's the Tormach working out?

Take care,

Ron

[syil]

Originally Posted by Greolt When writing about the Z axis in an earlier post I said I was dismayed at the runout of the turned ends on the screw. One pic shows that screw fitted up in the column. I went back for another look to see if I could do anything about it and discovered what is shown in the other pics. This is the top end of the screw that rides in the bearing at the top of the column. This is where I had measured in exess of .010" runout of the screw. Obviously someone botched the turning of the end and then made a bush to cover it up. Trouble is the bush is not a sufficiently tight fit and it has turned. You can even see just looking at the photo that the small turned bit is not true. So as the bush rotates so it gets runout. Now what to do???? Any ideas. I think a replacement is in order but I don't know if Syil will agree with me or not

1:we offer all ballscrew in 100% new and not refurbish.
2:to make a bash to cover on the ballscrew it is reason for be suit the bearing.
3:because every Sieg x3 some time have different end ballscrew desk bearing.so,that is why our conversion kit ballscrew will have a cover on the end.but complete machines do not have.because we can buy a suitable bearing for it.
4.the bearing right now very hardly find in our market for the ballscrew to connect seig end bearing desk.so that is another big reason why we need make a cover by ourself to install on the ballscrew.
but in future will be not have, we have been contact many bearing factroy to supply us a correctly bearing.
4.you said the cover not fit on the ballscrew.it is maybe us working not carefully,and make cover not good.

ok,please provide us your ballscrew and bearing size,then we will sent a new cover for you.or?

[syil]

also,i hope Mr Patrick can help us explain more technical and post your working on here.becuase he was also buy our conversion kits and install it in very well.i see his working on here:
http://koeienuiers.nl/
We will also provide the instruction for every clients in future,right now the PDF instucion have been fnisih,just prepare to print.

about our working some time have mistake or problem,hope everybody to find and advise to us.it is big help for our future working.we need everyone good suggestion.

also,i just get the news from factory,we have been purchase another kind ballscrew which correctly size can be suit for bearing on the sieg.so from now,our all conversion kit ballscrew will be not need a cover.

Thanks for everyone suggestion.
Syil.

[Greolt]

Syil I have sent you private email however you seem happy to discuss this on the forum.

I will clarify a couple of problems I have.

First the bracket which holds the X axis bearing and motor mount has been made backwards.
See photo. Bottom one is Lou Cetrangelo's machine. Top one is mine. You can see the mistake. I need the correct bracket.

Second is the screw for the Z axis. Photo shows the top end of the screw.
The small spigot has been turned off centre. You can even see the runout in the photo.
Then a bush has been pressed on and turned. Probably true.
However the bush is not a tight fit and has turned resulting in runout.
The bearing ID is 12mm a very common size, not difficult to find.
This screw will need to be replaced.

Apart from these two issues the kit has gone together very well. The only thing left to do is wire up the drives.

I have asked for tech info on the stepper drives and the cnc controller board. If you would send them that would be great. Thanks


EDIT: people keep telling me they can't see the difference in the brackets
Someone please tell me I'm not losing my marbles
Those holes must be at least a quarter inch different.....Aren't they???

[syil]

ok,i will sent the info to your asap.also i sent emails to you,please check.

Thank you.
Syil.

[Greolt]

Syil provide in the full kit three nifty little photo interuptors for the homing or limit switches.

They are made up with the necessary resistor soldered in line and a length of cable and a connector
which plugs straight into the break out board.

I think normaly you also get some little tabs to do the interupting but mine got forgot.
No big deal I just made some of my own.

Now the question I would have liked to discuss before doing this with some experienced people is about limits or homing.

I have decided for now to go with limits on each end of the Y travel. (160mm)
According to the Mach3 help file, limits can be homing as well.

For the X I went for both limits and a separate switch for the homing.
That comes into play about one third of the way along the travel. (420mm)

It will be fairly easy to adjust or alter altogether this setup if I find it not the best option.

Don't know whether I need one on the Z or not.
I have in mind to make a tool height setting switch. They probably have a proper name???

The pics are of the Y setup. X is the same except double switches.

Tight fit But they will be well protected under there.