you like surfcam better than espirit? that was an option for me. i was going to get bobcad being its cost a bit less. then tried one cnc. they changed it a lot. i have bobcad at day job. didnt realize how much i missed surfcam till i worked with bobcad and tried one cnc after about 10 years since i last worked with it.. decided to go with surfcam for the shop at home. glad ti see im not alone. i haggled for weeks deciding on what to get.