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Old 02-02-2012, 04:01 PM
 
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The liturature I have IS a .pdf file, but

It is a series of "photo copies" of some original manuscript.

From the Yaskawa pages document reference TSE-S800. A "generic" outline of the Series R servo drives (with specs) . Is the document you have different?

The motor does appear to be a good one, and it is fitted with a gear reducer that makes it just right for this process motion application.

If budget were no consideration, I'm sure a solution would come rapidly.

Knowledge has a value as well.
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I do have some of the old manuals, But the PDF you have is just a copy of what is in the manual everything is there that you need for that Motor Drive information

Is your PDF the TSE-S800 2.8C
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calg,

some more info fwiw.

a motor designed for trapazoidal commutation (aka BLDC) run on a sinusoidal commutated drive can have a system performance reduction upto about 20%.

a motor designed for sinusoidal commutation (aka ac brushless) run on a trapazoidal commutated drive can have a system performance reduction upto about 20%.

ratings such as nm/amp and v/krpm have a difference factor of iirc about 1.6x between the two.

the derate is due to extra heat in the motor due to mismatched current vs motor bemf waveform: a trap designed bldc motor has a trapazoidal shaped bemf while an ac servo has a sine shaped bemf waveform.

for you, mix and matching will probably be transparent as AL attests to since who is going to realize 10% less rating? Hard for someone not familiar with it to quantify.

Al, fyi, sine bemf vs trap bemf has more to do with winding and lamination shape than magnet shape; ie., dome shaped magnets in themself do not make sine bemf: most of the magnets I see today on ac motors are still square.

calg, want to know how many "poles" your motor is short 2 of the motor leads and rotate it thru 1 mechanical rev: count the humps. humps= no of poles. this is top secret info so don;t share with others - share and I loose job security -people will know everything I know and I wont be needed anymore

calg, search ebay for CE06 kollmorgen drive; it will run your motor & encoder fine and also give u the simulated encoder output to feed on to a mach3/emc cnc controller. if you dont find what you want feel free to pm me for quote on used or new one.
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Regarding pole count

With the gear reducer hanging off the front of this motor, Spinning by hand is a real chore! ;-)

but perhaps acedemic at this moment.

I have just spent over an hour looking at the documents for the CACR-SR seris drives, and I must say it's impossible to put numbers to application.

In example, there is an amplifier described as CACR-SR15BC1KSY392

The Yaskawa literature on the -SR amplifiers has no reference to BCKSY designations.

An inaccurate description? Some other literature? frustration...

I'll take a look for the Kolmorgen Drive...

Thanks

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CEO6 returns NOTHING

Seo perhaps?

Well, Ebay comes through...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kollmorgen-S...item1c2044296c

It seems costly for a piece with damage...
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To hard to turn, Just undo the 4 bolts holding the motor to the gear box & slide it off
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Lazy way...

Set it up in the lathe output shaft chucked up, turn the spindle slowly, observe the response on the o-scope.

I did that not long ago to take a look at the encoders. I suppose I should have checked the motor poles at the same time ;-)
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ya, u should find working one for that. oh well.
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For those interested, Pole count

six "bumps per rev on the Yaskawa USAREM motors.

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