How many of you employers give Holiday/End of Year Bonuses??

[tobyaxis]

I hear you and agree that it should be left up to an employer to give gifts in the form of a Holiday/Year End Bonus.

One thing I can see as an employee at least 60% of the time is "What kind of company I am working hard for".

One that shows appreciation for efforts or one that just takes advantage.

Again I started this Thread not to point a finger, but to get a rough idea.

BTW: you are being naughty, LOL.

[Mariss Freimanis]

We are a small company so we depend on highly motivated employees to give us a edge. A salary is only the contracted amount an employee can depend on getting every month. A year-end bonus is in appreciation of how much an employee's dedication has exceeded expectations. Bonuses are substantial and often exceed 10% of annual salary.

[murphdog]

Hello,
On a somewhat different note! If this post needs to go somewhere else let me know. If you had employees making personal items, with at cost materials, on their time using company resources (machines/tooling) and they want to sell those items and build new/different ones. How would you approach this?

[tobyaxis]

Hello,
On a somewhat different note! If this post needs to go somewhere else let me know. If you had employees making personal items, with at cost materials, on their time using company resources (machines/tooling) and they want to sell those items and build new/different ones. How would you approach this?

Personally I am a strong believer that personal projects should be done, and only done on personal time.

Did they ask for the materials or steal them?
Did they ask to use the machinery and tooling, or just do what ever they felt like doing as if the shop and equipment was theirs?

It all depends on how you feel IMHO.

[dertsap]

Hello,
On a somewhat different note! If this post needs to go somewhere else let me know. If you had employees making personal items, with at cost materials, on their time using company resources (machines/tooling) and they want to sell those items and build new/different ones. How would you approach this?

if their making and selling parts on their time with your material them bill them for the material , fair is fair , as far as allowing them to use your equipment then that's up to you to decide if you are comfortable with it , only you can decide if they are responsible and respectful enough to use the equipment .
personally some of the companies that i worked at were cool with it as long as i cleaned my mess and didn't disturb the guys who were working

you could ask for a % of their profit if they are seriously making lots of parts

[cyclestart]

Hello,
On a somewhat different note! If this post needs to go somewhere else let me know. If you had employees making personal items, with at cost materials, on their time using company resources (machines/tooling) and they want to sell those items and build new/different ones. How would you approach this?

The last shop I worked for allowed employees to rent machines and tooling. Consumables were your expense. The rates were listed in the employee policy manual. A decent deal if you needed a cnc, or at least a lot cheaper than hiring the shop to do the work. Not a great deal if you just needed to drill a few holes or make a couple of welds. The policy was meant for personal projects, not for using the shop as a rent-a-factory. Otoh, it didn't expressly forbid making items for resale as far as I can remember.

[casta-baga]

I get 5% every 6 month plus at the end of the year I get a percentage from the prototypes that I'm involved with.

all together I get 15% to 20% thats is pretty sweet...
but... what is not sweet anymore is... since the economy went down, i have been working with machines as-well, I used to seat my ass off and walk all day, now I actually have to set-up and run the machine too...

lots of fun.

[tenaja]

I won't, and never will. Employees will appreciate a bonus for about two or three weeks. If you don't give one, or if you give a smaller one the next year, they will be upset with you for most of the year.

It's plain human nature. A psychologist was getting frustrated with the noise of kids playing ball in the yard outside his window. So he went out and told them all he loved watching them play, and gave them each a dollar. Two days later, he did the same thing but gave them all a quarter. The next day, he told them all he had were pennies.

Despite having fun for free, the kids never returned. They were upset that they were no longer properly paid for their entertainment. Of course, this is what the doctor hoped to achieve.

[Larken]

A Christmas bonus should be exactly that. Its a present to your employees at Christmas. Its about giving with no expectations of getting more work out of them. Don't forget these people helped you through the year.

[Mariss Freimanis]

tenaja.

That's cold. You don't understand people and I would hate to be an employee of yours. You have a cynical view of people that work for you and your view probably translates to your employees. You likely have a tense shop and you get what you expect.

Sorry for putting it that way. People who work for you are human beings just like you. You work for a reward. You put your best effort forwards and you expect it to be rewarded. So do the people that work for you. The difference between them and you is they depend on YOU to reward them for their best efforts.

Without that people stop trying and your smartest and best leave. You get left with a shop full of dummies, malcontents and slackers. That's good because they are exactly what you always expected from people. Besides, you did save a few dollars too. :-)

Mariss

[tobyaxis]

Without that people stop trying and your smartest and best leave. You get left with a shop full of dummies, malcontents and slackers. That's good because they are exactly what you always expected from people. Besides, you did save a few dollars too. :-)

Mariss

So true Mariss. It's too bad that more employers do not see it this way. Maybe Made in the USA/Canada would mean something again. Maybe the Economy would pick up again.

From what I can see companies are more worried about this weeks profits without thinking about years to come. There is no planning, no foundation, and no future.

[casta-baga]

I would go over and over to the same post only if I'm looking for something in particular that is not the case, I just feel that my previous post was out of context but I do have something to say. like listen to Unneccesary by Gus Gus [open source] I think..

with my experience on machine shops, conventional machines, CAM automation lay-outs... etc... experience in living in different cities and countries with different demands and different polikal spectrums. I do like the K because I do respect...

I would say that there is different ways of doing business in different places with different people, supervisors that don't know a thing about machining and managers that don't even know about stock market... the bad output goes to the guy that ends up. you know...

where i work there's pool tables. televisions, ping pong table etc etc.. if the pool game [snnooker] game is not done with in the break or lunch time window... it got to be finished even if pass 5 to 10 minutes... the senior guys don't clean machines... but what the hell, I say? is going to change... it has to change.. the economy is down....
I end up giving 10 minutes to the share holders anyway... I ask to myself... my environment is free of medicine... if I approve an environment free pollution.... how come I bring a bad atmothere to my home.
why not listen to music at work, if the coolant is bad why not proving a good solution to wash hands or vice versa?

sometimes you look and see 36 dollars , do you pay 36 dollars for a set-up person?
, don't go for it, stay home.

what do you guys give anyway? I think like this? if I send a guy to the field to use a field machine, example... where is he going to sleep? drive? food? sex? smell? come on? how much time is he going to be away of his rest, wife, kids, lover, etc etc.. what is the point of talking about this, human rights for me is like having water when I get home.. everybody has water right? imagine if you go home and no water... are you going to point the finger to your boss?

sure you should... I think, because you're boss has a higher impressions on your politiKal pick.. specially over there.


oil, gas, general aerospace, general high demand machine builder etc...   [depending of where you live] prototype moulding, micro industry and etc etc not mention the millions of dollars that are going to the war industry, I don't live in the USA...

if you don't supply this industry you don't, can't pay bonus, nothing, your set-up guy makes what 20 euros? the programmer 24 euros? come on? why not build a super-airplane and look for a different planet to live. others are doing it.

and today...
I would buy a product from a company that is certified by the 14000.

what is the point of using ceramic on ceramic if you're a 14000 certified?
right on... I don't do that.... and how? but why?

how many of you are certified by the ISO14000

you can be living in a city where there is a demand for a product that you don't find much of qualified people to make it, you as a big guy of the company has to pay the wage and etc, if not someone else would do..

if you live in a place that theres work but the boss wants the big car, the big house, 3 mortgages, he wants a bad working conditions for their employees etc etc.. theres no bonus, theres no good wages, nothing, that place sucks and his product sucks...

philosophy and psychology , some companies pay 50% 80% for the medication to treat that depression outputted by the workplace and the dirty where people is into...
I was appointed to be with a group of people that is studying workplace situations and behavioural moods.

my reply was...
can I go for lunch with you without having this smell on my hands?
fff,