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Thread: Just Curious

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    Post cnc ebook

    anyone has CNC ebook please share with me!


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    Talking You can BUY a copy of CNC ebook

    Quote Originally Posted by tranhaitrung View Post
    anyone has CNC ebook please share with me!
    You can BUY a copy from this web site.

    http://www.cncci.com/products/ebooksmfcnc.htm
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    XP vs Vista

    Besides the many bug complaints about Vista there is the issue of RAM consumption. It seems to use about 500MBs more than XP to achieve the same level of performance. Since I have to use a laptop for my CAD design work, and since, so far, laptops only allow for 2Gs of RAM, I'll be sticking with XP for a long, long time.


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    I have been testing Vista for work because new computers we get are going to have it installed. Linux is not an option. It would be very difficult if not impossible to change the culture of about 100 employees to a new alien operating system.

    I am staying with XP at home.
    Wayne Hill


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    Beware when buying a Vista PC that the standard (32 bit versions) will only use a maximum of 2GB memory, and that the 64 bit versions don't have a lot of software available.
    2 GB runs everything fine for me so far.


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    I'm a very reluctant user of MS products. As far as I'm concerned windows (all versions) are very clunky products. If I were King MS would either produce an operating system or applications software, but not both. Also I do not like all the spyware capabilities built into MS operating systems. That door should not exsist at all. Aside from that Mrs. Lincoln did you like the play?


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    Microsoft has always been driven by $$$$ not making a good prod... unfortunately we live in a world where the 2 don't go hand and hand more often then not. I remember building firewalls with FreeBSD when it cam with IPF an excellent last match packet filter allowing you to make very secure rule sets judging packets on multiple characteristics. But back then I was running an infosec project and just had to keep the budget under 1.5 mil a year no questions asked and got to pick hardware and staff and what brand ping pong balls were stocked (the boys worked 12 hr shifts 24/7). These days you can't use anything unless it comes with some sort of cert and an unsupported product no mater how good won't make it past the bean counters, at least at public companies. Politics and how much more can they make when it breaks seem to be how it’s all put together now. Same reason my truck uses gas and not the sun, they want you chained to the wheel and that is the way tech gets developed slavery has just been replaced by consumerism et al. I better get off the train cause when I get going it takes a while to slow down. Anyway when I worked for an Autodesk Partner they were predicting Vista to drive sales in the software and hardware markets and that’s the way Vista was built to drive business the rest is just how they get you to swallow.

    Adam
    I understand the game I just don’t like it


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    Quote Originally Posted by zippy View Post
    way tech gets developed slavery has just been replaced by consumerism et al.

    Adam
    I understand the game I just don’t like it
    Adam,
    We are not supposed to know that. The real trick is to stay below the radar.
    Now where did I put my Iphone?


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    I am sure that saying it out loud will up the surveillance LOL but sometimes I can’t help it and I think I’ve been on he radar since I was twelve now if some one could show me how to get off it . That’s the great thing about the zone most of us seem to strive to be producers not consumers


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    Customer: "How much do Windows cost?"
    Tech Support: "Windows costs about $100."
    Customer: "Oh, that's kind of expensive. Can I buy just one window?"




    Tech Support: "Do you have any Windows open right now?"
    Customer: "Are you crazy man, it's twenty below outside..."




    Compaq is considering changing the command "Press Any Key" to "Press Return Key", because of the endless flood of calls asking where the "Any" key is.




    Q: What is the difference between Windows 95 and Windows 98?
    A: 3 years.




    November 1999: Microsoft announced today that the official release date for the new operating system "Windows 2000" will be delayed until the second quarter of 1901.




    In a world without walls and fences - who needs Windows and Gates?




    They say when you play that Microsoft CD backward you can hear satanic messages ... but that's nothing. If you play it forward it will install Windows.




    Why did Microsoft give the name "Windows" to its operating software?
    If you had so many bugs, you would throw it out the window too!




    If Windows is The Solution, can we please have the problem back?


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    More Bloatware To Manage

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    you mean just like the login checkpoint i get when accessing premium tech support with novell? i cant get paid linux support for free, why do you expect to get updates for windows without prooving you legitimately own it?
    You misunderstand. I have no problem with paying for licensing or updates. I have done so in the past, and will continue to do so. I'm not a 'leecher', I'm a producer. But I see no reason to upgrade to an O.S. that loops continuously looking for DRM violations, and degrades the legitimate user's experience by treating all customers as pirates. And I don't much like the EULA, either. So, I will use their product only when necessary from now on. That's the long and short of it.

    if you have an axe to grind with windows update you could just turn it off. I hope your not trying to imply i know nothing about computers just because i adopt the new os early? as for the idiot users, they will have to pay the geek squad to fix their computers whatever they run, half of them cant manage to put in a cd and follow instructions, linux isnt going to help them.
    Of course I wasn't implying that, you already indicated you are not new at this.
    As for Windows Update, you are absolutely correct. I wait until after the bugs are fixed before doing the updates. (Sometimes they break functionality and it isn't discovered until after it gets rolled out.)
    I was referring to the out of the box experience for people buying computers with Vista installed. As far as idiot users, a pre-installed Linux distro will be just a easy to learn to use. Soon, it WILL be a viable alternative on newly purchased store box computers, I believe.

    My sysadmin at work isnt avoiding it, mainly because he is there to provide us with the software we require to do our jobs effectively, so the decision really rests with us. That said i can understand the reasoning with non computer literate staff.
    If you need it for your business, then you need it, and you have to do whatever it takes to use it. So far, most of the proprietary apps we use won't even run on it, so that's not an issue for us. But system-wide, for us there are other issues. As outlined in this article and many more like it --
    http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1...9287046,00.htm

    can you let me know the name of the solidworks equivelent under linux? seriously i have been waiting for someone to put out a good cad package for years now.
    I wish there were one. I've been looking at a not-free Autocad replacement, though, and am about 90% ready to buy the first license for testing. It's not up being called a solidworks equivalent as far as I can see (we don't use solidworks), but it has an interesting interface for creating and editing 3d entities. It's called Varicad. The price of any quality software is tiny compared to the cost of educating a user to be productive with it. This one looks like the cost might be worth it. It's tough to know without already being expert user in it, though.

    So you have read every line of sourcecode in every app you run? in the real world noone knows exactly what all their software is doing behind the scenes, so have to trust the developer is honest (and competent).
    True, and it's great as long as you agree with the EULA.

    I work with quite a few people who have similar sentiments to you, they invest thousands of pounds in man hours testing out linux setups in order to save a £300 licence, simply because they are philosophically opposed to handing microsoft money.
    Again, you misunderstand me. I'm not philosophically opposed to paying anyone for their efforts. But I still don't agree with many of the approaches they have taken, I don't yet need their new O.S., I don't like some of the things it does, I'm reluctant to buy new hardware just to run it when I don't need any of the new functionality it brings if any, and I don't like the EULA. I have a lot of money invested in XP and very good hardware and apps that run on it. I can understand but not agree with them trying to force sales of new O.S.'s by setting end of life dates and no longer providing security updates for bugs that should not have been there (unchecked buffers, in particular). I've invested about 80 man-hours in testing Linux, and I've come away very impressed. All of my personal machines default to booting Linux now (I like Puppy Linux), and after I learn some more about a few security issues, it will begin to be rolled out where I work. I've invested thousands of man-hours in learning to undo or prevent hidden functionality in Windows boxes, though. Mostly to counter threats and annoyances.

    I'm probably not the demographic they are aiming for, anyway. I've found ways to write programs that don't force my users to carry the dot net baggage for small apps. I work to avoid upgrade costs and early adoption snafus. For work, the hardware life cycle is over when the hardware breaks or is too slow to be useful compared to something else I can build inexpensively and get operational very quickly. NOT when a new O.S. comes out that brings it to its knees. Nowadays, I've learned that any software for any purpose that says "enterprise" anywhere in the promo means I can't afford it and it won't work for my application without special coding and service contracts, etc., so we avoid those, too. The target market must be someone else besides me.

    And, I'm happy that, for most uses, including general office apps and just about anything else requiring internet access, there is an alternative available that my button-pusher users can adopt painlessly, while allowing me to bury XP, Vista, and any app that runs on it behind a firewall and denied access to the internet, eliminating 90% of the security concerns, especially if and when our earlier O.S. of choice is deemed obsolete.

    Microsoft's main problem with users like myself is that XP runs without crashing. Since it was basically the only game in town, our business runs apps that are designed to run on it. As long as we don't need to expose these machines to the internet, all those security bugs will be less of a threat. So the existing machines that are three years old or less will be running for a long time, whether the 'life cycle' is ended or not.

    I'm sure I'm not in the majority. But fur us, installations of Vista will be avoided where possible, and work-arounds will be sought first. And software apps that require Vista to operate will not be purchased except as a last resort. And still, these installations will be disconected from the internet. For a business, any purchase must satisfy the question of what is to be gained or what costs can be avoided to make the purchase worthwhile.

    Where's the advantage to an upgrade? The security model in Vista is "too much, too late". That's really the only positive thing I see about it, and the transition to it is painful for most (though necessary). Eye candy on the desktop gets nuked immediately anyway, and icons are mostly useless for file manipulation. More bloat is not what we need. Especially if it is there to satisfy the RIAA. They can keep it!

    --97T--


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    I bought a 512k Macintosh in 1984 and used Apple ever since until last year when my cnc router arrived with Win PCNC pro software.
    I bought a cheap PC which came with windows XP to operate it. Since I use it for nothing else I shall stick where I am.
    I do all my cad work on Mac and transfer to the PC for machining.
    My 23 year old Mac plus the printer and colour plotter I bought with it all still work perfectly, I still use it occasionally, Macwrite writes letters Word writes nasty violent thoughts in my head.


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