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  • Small Robot Arm

    57 28.64%
  • CNC Foam Wire Cutter

    20 10.05%
  • CNC Foam Carver

    30 15.08%
  • CNC gantry Printer\Vinyl\Fabric Cutter

    57 28.64%
  • Semi Automatic Vacuum Former

    16 8.04%
  • Dont Bother

    19 9.55%
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Thread: Poll: What Plans Do we Want Cheaply?

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    Originally posted by vacpress

    oh - whats 2 start acme rod?
    Correct me if I'm wrong guys.

    Think of a lead screw as a spiral wrapped concentricly around a shaft. 1 start would be a single spiral making up the screw. 2 start screws are 2 alternating spirals wrapped around the shaft. Also, works for 3 start and 4 start....


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    You know Esjaavik brings up a good point. When these plans are finished and confirmed a success. They could be sold at non-profit levels, on a CD containing every thing from cad drawings to free full/demo cad software. Um cnc control software with gcode, small videos with classes and demo’s of HOW-TO’s. Enough to cover cost and shipping and assist with the cost of domain and servers. Or free download, just not in an ISO form to make a CD. But rather all in raw form posted on the server in a presentable manner.

    Also I move to make a statement, I believe it would be wise for us all to agree on one type or other for the DRIVE train. We basically have 3 options, standard threaded rod, ball bearing rod’s. or the other kind with the DEEP channel which I cant remember what its called. Belt drive has a tendency to shudder on the small scale. Wire drive stretches because it has to be pulled so tight. And geared track makes for a lot of noise (jitter) and low resolution. So it boils down to price when you really think about it. The standard threaded rod works great but its subject to wear, requires more Turk to turn and a lot of thin oil lube. But cost’s a little over a dollar for 3 feet. There turns per inch vary but, I’ve found them to be between 16-32 turns per inch. Average is 20-24 turns per inch, on the steal rods but they’re always an even number of turns per inch ALWAYS.

    Ball bearing rods are not cheap and often don’t offer as many turns per inch. The outstanding factor though is the loss of friction and higher degree of accuracy per step and foot pounds to friction is almost non existent. A standard threaded rod has about +/- 1-2/64’s, as well as it increases over time and wear.
    http://cnczone.com/forums/attachment...=&postid=31296 In this image the top axis is my Y-axis, the entire top Y-axis for every thing including motor (motor was salvaged) was under $10. My design as is gives about 6oz of force at 12v, but 20oz of force at 30v with out loosing any steps. The x and y axis are driven by the same piece of threaded rod cut in half.

    I’ve given it much though, but the easiest way to entice people to try the cnc construction, would be the ultimate in simple design uni-polar driver circuit. 4 npn’s 4 resisters, a few traces or better yet an overhead view of a solder to protoboard with wires. A how to on testing it with two 1.5v batteries in series (3v minus the 4resisters) and a PC at/psu or any powers supply 12v. 5v would be better to use for safty but, not all motors will turn at that ratting. After the testing phase is proven working. A simple setup to the parallel port (5 wires 4 for step 1 to ground) and single dos program to make the motor live, and add start stop speed up and down (a counting feature comes to mind as well to help find what the motor can do). LED’s would be good to add for debugging but that’s what the battery is for.

    Did I mention I can type 133words a min.
    Last edited by berin; 04-19-2004 at 07:02 PM.


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    i thought you measure the inch on a rod then just count the rings for the number of turns? mine has 13 in one inch, does not match the even number you mentioned. maybe this is not the right place to post and can be moved?


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    I would be very interested in the robot arm project......


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    I was actually thinking about building a robotic arm myself, although the one I was dreaming up would have been a 6 axis robotic arm like those ones they use in factories(except really small). The major expence is the driver board for the motors, and the problem could be controlling it. Some sort of program would have to be made to controll the motion of it, the motion wouldnt be quite the same as if it was controlled by mach2 or something.

    Jon


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    hi

    i would love to see some plans for a CNC gantry Fabric Cutter as i would love to make custom car seats for my car and maybe sell aswell, if you make the plans let me know.

    thanks and keep up the good work


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    Hm, I am interested in a EDM power supply... perferably a digital one....


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    Hmmmmmmm, I've used a ton of 1/2" X 12 tpi and 5/8" X 11 tpi threaded rod. joe2000che is measuring things correctly
    never set a pace that you can't maintain
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    One way would be to make plans for a machine with several versions of parts so that you could build it with cheap components first and then upgrade to more accurate parts later.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jon
    One way would be to make plans for a machine with several versions of parts so that you could build it with cheap components first and then upgrade to more accurate parts later.
    thats that i did here

    Joes 2nd Machine

    Joe


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    Quote Originally Posted by vacpress
    I bought plans from John Kleinbauer, and while they were a usefull design aid, they were the ugliest POS i ever spent $35 to own on paper. Who the hell does he think he is? Thats what i dont want to see.
    !
    therein is the problem of selling plans. some guy hobbles together a machine, maybe better, maybe worst than what your or I could do...but Hardinge/Bridgeport isn't exactly quaking in their boots.

    Then he starts thinking, hey this is pretty cool, why should I give them away? I could make a bit of $$$$ at this and own my own business. But when I buy something, as opposed to taking someone up on their generosity to share, I expect that thing to be a high quality professional effort. The quality of the drawings is less important that the quality, engineering and design of the machine.

    Many of the plans I've seen on the net for sale look like low end amateur efforts. To sell the plans, imo, you owe the customer a level of professionalism that the design and engineering are to professional standards, not just the “from my shop to yours” stuff.

    It also moves the person from fellow amateur to vendor in my eyes. While I am happy to share whatever knowledge/advise/drawings/design etc that I have, why does my counterpart what to charge $35? I also hate the argument “I have so many hours/dollars invested” so do I with 10 years of machining as a hobby. Its not the money, it’s the annoyance factor – with technology it is easy to distribute info avoiding out of pocket expenses.

    Imo, Professional plans sold by a credible machine engineer/designer, fine. Amateur plans of various levels of quality (some of which are incredible) shared amongst other amateurs, cool. Amateur plans for sale, uncool


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    I dont think I need plans to make a CNC router or something of the like. Theres enough information online including this site, as well as thousands of pictures. Anybody can figure out how to construct this without plans.
    BUt a small robot arm, that seems a bit less obvious. My votes toward that


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