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Same here. A friend of mine in the same business once said. "I don't mind minimum wage, but I do hate not being able to earn that much"Originally Posted by Walt@SGS.Inc
Karl "apple grower by day" Townsend
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Integrity doesent seem to be a requirement for owning a business anymore. I agree that it makes the difference between a great place to work and one that is not, but since moving to Southern California 10 years ago I could count the business owners with integrity I've met on one hand. And half of them are struggling and trying to figure out how to survive while competing with a bunch of scoundrel's.
They are out there, but most businesses are not run by ethical caring employers that have the customer and employee in mind. The places I've worked have been large impersonal entities with board members and stock holders.
I did work for two private employers over the last 10 years. One was an OK guy, almost a friend actually, untill I ripped a three inch hernia in my gut open and he wouldn't let me get it fixed on workmans comp (I'd been working for him for three years), so I quit and went to work for a competitor (that gave me insurance right off the bat) the next day. He showed up at a job sight a couple of weeks later and wanted to "beat me up". (He changed his mind when I smiled and picked up my hammer and said "great!".) We are still aquaintances, and see each other and are civil, but essentially what he did was completely wrong and he knew it.
Ther other guy was OK and honest and probably not a bad guy, but he was drunk all day long and I couldn't deal with it.
They are out there , but not the norm and are getting harder to find all the time.
Halfnutz
(Note: The opinions expressed in this post are my own and are not necessarily those of CNCzone and its management)
Same here. A friend of mine in the same business once said. "I don't mind minimum wage, but I do hate not being able to earn that much"
Karl "apple grower by day" Townsend
They just raised the minimum wage.
Does that mean us stupid shop owners all get a raise.
Lets see, about 11 weeks til Christmas, maybe the little
woman will get sumpin in her sock.
I've been waiting for a pay raise for a long time.
If I wasn't so stupid, I could have figgered something out
before the government went and caused me to get a raise.
Regards. Walt.
Wow, you other shop owners are pretty sensitive!
How do you react when you don't get a job? Do you cry to your mommy?
I am a shop owner and I see what other shop owners do. I know what I'm saying when I call most of them stupid. I never called anyone here stupid so stop copping the attitude, ok?
Halfnutz: Sorry to hear of your problems with previous employers..Your statement about the boss not letting you get a hernia fixed on Wkms Comp?
I was under the impression all employers are responsible to have Wkms Comp Insurance regardless ( some large companies "Self Insure" if they can prove they have the resources to pay ) If the accident happened at work, an employer is required to fill out a first report of accident and send you to the Workman Comps Insurance designated Clinic or Doctor immediatly !
The employer can not refuse if the accident happened at work, if he had no Workmans Comp Ins, you should have called a shark ( Lawyer) and ended up owning the company
I can not understand a legitimate machine shop not having Workmans Comp. Insurance...heck even the boss gets hurt some times.
I did call friend that manages a machine shop in Southern Calif, and he did confirm that Wkms Comp is required in Calif, and their laws are similar to those in other states, if not tougher.
Adobe (old as dirt )
You know DOC when you quote someone and make a disparaging or insulting comment most people would come to the conclusion that the comment is aimed at the person you quoted. If it was not aimed at that person why quote them?
But at least now I have another adjective to string onto all the others that have been thrown at me; this is the first time anyone has called me sensitive.
Well since I'm new here I didn't know that you were another owner. I assume you are or you wouldn't have made the comments you made. Is there some way I should have known you were an owner? I took your comment to be made about owners, not by an owner.
I was commenting on what you said. I do that lots of times on other message boards without "aiming" my comments toward the person that wrote them.
Besides, aren't you now glad to know that you have a sensitive side?
Last edited by DepthOfCut; 10-06-2006 at 12:29 PM.
Quit your whining and just do the job you were hired to do. When a employe ask for a raise "Cuase I aint had one in 6 months" Time is not the factor for increase in pay. What are you doing for me today that you were not able to do yesterday. I have never had trouble getting paid well. I do my job go the extra mile and help out anyone that has a question I can answer. If you happen to work for a company that is just plain cheap then shut up and quit. There are to many places out there that will treat you fair and pay you well. I have bneen in this bis for 30 years and that is what I know. In those thirty years the guys that whined the most about what they were getting paid were usaully the least productive
Just my opinion, BLUESMAN
I know I know opinions are like ......................................
From my employee days, I remember the guys that whined the most were the ones who never had enough guts to even apply for another job.
I agree fully with "Bluesman" just quit yer whinni'n and do your job...but I would like to put a little perspective in this discussion:We sold the business and built a new home ( my wifes "dream" home in a remote , beautiful area of Southeast Ariz.)for retirement, and needed some trenching/rockspreading /work that could be done with a skid steer or maybe a small grade tractor. There was a local guy doing some skid steer work down the street so I went and asked him some questions and noticed the skid steer was really pretty old and wore out. Seemed like a pretty good ole boy, and he told me the "steer was 11 years old, his dad purchased at an auction 9 years ago for $7100.00, they did a little maintenance ,tires being the biggest expense over the last 9 years.
His hourley rate ? $ 65.00/ hr, portal to portal ! And he had 90 days of work booked. I estimated with the old 3/4 ton truck,trailer, skid steer and rakes and shovels, there was an investment of maybe $15,000.00(high estm.)
The comparison ? I have friends that have multi $$$ CNC machines, pay their help good $, and struggle to get $65.00 to 75.00 an hour.
I sure do not begrudge the fella with the skid steer, seemed like he had a good work ethic etc etc, but I know a lot of shop owners that are doing 14-16 hr days, 6 and 7 days a week just to keep ahead of the "payments".They have help that are educated, know their job (some are just fantastic operators/real good machinests and understand all aspects of the trade) and still have trouble putting money in the bank for their family.
Something wrong here ? You bet.....just don't know what the answer is.
I just hope we are not leaving our Grandchildren a bigger mess..
Adobe (old as dirt )
Well, it's because we price parts too low. We keep fighting against each other for business and we all end up working longer hours just to make ends meet. I can't even charge $40/hr with my customer base! One of my competitors recently purchased a few new machines, lowered his prices even more, and takes almost all the work one of my customers has to offer. Now, he's late, his parts aren't even deburred, but he still keeps getting the biz because he's the cheapest. Companies around here don't seem to care about quality or delivery, only price. I'm seriously considering approaching some companies in higher paying markets to get some good paying work. Of course, I wouldn't have to if my competition hadn't so devalued what us machine shops do.
Yes, I could have absolutely had the thing fixed through Workmens Comp., but because the guy was somewhat of a friend (I thought), I conferred with him first and he remarked that I couldnt prove it had happened at his company and that he would "fight" me over it.
At the time (especially after that conversation) I was sick of working for him (three years is enough at any place for me) and I knew of another company that had allready made me an offer of employment for the same pay, but with insurance included at the start of employment, so rather than fight with the guy I just quit and had the thing fixed through insurance a couple of months later.
I had been working for over a year at that point with a hernia and it was getting worse everyday. I dont know what was going on in his swelled up head, I geusse he wanted me to beg him or something or take a pay cut and let him pay for it (thats what he had done for some other guy that got hurt at work) so his W.C. rates wouldn't be affected. I dont know and didn't really care because I had been talking to this other company and had another option.
He's an OK guy, I dont have any animosity towards him, he wanted to play the big boss and have me grovel and it didn't work so he got all jacked up over it. We see each other occasionally and laugh about it now, but at the time it wasn't funny.
Halfnutz
(Note: The opinions expressed in this post are my own and are not necessarily those of CNCzone and its management)
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