Would you pass your knowledge on for free?

[Geof]

Jerry; you are more long winded but I guess I type slower.

[JerryFlyGuy]

Jerry; you are more long winded but I guess I type slower.

So is that a good thing? there's lots more I could say on the subject.. but I won't want to get tooo windy... Sask is windy enough..

Jerry

[ynneb]

Its your choice if you want to take offence, I did say "from MY experience"

In two jobs now I have suggested two big ideas to my bosses, and they got me to set it up for them, they made huge profits from the whole excersize "HUGE PROFITS" When I asked for a small pay rise they got rid of me. I take offence to that. I do look inwards more often than I should at times, I have constantly given people the benifit of the doubt, only to be exploited many times. Those bosses also took offence when I was bold enough to ask for a small reward for my idea and contribution. Thay ALSO said to me that I needed to take a look at myself. I dont need to say any more.

[AMCjeepCJ]

I'm so glad he started this thread. I'm looking to hire in the near future and the shear terror of spending much of my time training someone who could leave at a moments notice is driving me insane.

I'm the only person who clicked the, 'only if I teach it wrong,' box and I was only joking well, half joking at least!! I live in a VERY densely populated (machine shops that is,) area and would like to know being on the other side of this problem, "Can I draw up a legally binding document, so as anything my newbie learns as far as special fixturing and machining strategy cannot be passed on to future employers?"

If the answer is yes, I would do that in a heartbeat... If the answer is no, I'm looking at total automation, (more profits for me and cheap / unskilled labor loading parts...)

The downside as I see it being this... I feel morally obligated to build a business that pays employees VERY well, so they can enjoy a standard of living I would like if I were them... I don't fully subscribe to the 'I built the company, I deserve all the profits,' mentality...

I've spent twelve years learning my trade, 2 years on my own perfecting it and now am starting to gain nationwide publicity in a very big hurry... I personally have no choice but to expand shortly but the direction I go is largely dependent on how much trust I have for people outside my immediate family... In my case, it's not that the product is altogether new but the process to get my cost down is~

Like my quote says, "The early bird gets the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese." How do I keep from being the first mouse?!

[vacpress]

i dunno. if scientists devloping crazy things routinely give all the rights to their inventions to whatever entity funded the work, i think people who run big expensive equipment, or make their living off the corporate infrastructure provided by someone else, you have some obligations when its work hours. i do solidworks modeling for work. i have taught many tricks to co-workers, and they have helped me out as well. not quite the same, considering there are 20 engineers designing in solidworks in the r&d lab, but at some companies, knowing solidworks would be all they need 1 person for... that person could be replaced if magically someone else(like, eeek, the bosses kid) learns the skill..if this is your case, i suppose that is a reason to be concerned..

g'luck. im done thinking about this! it is interesting to see different view points. its like scrupples for the specially skilled..

[davidmb]

My day job is as the head Oracle DBA programmer in a busy hospital and we have a high turnover of staff, they come, get experiance and knowledge ( from me ) and leave usually after 2 years for better money. I guess I stay because I get enough money to be comfy and I enjoy the work, but teaching someone else really makes you learn and understand what you think you know. I personally have no regrets from passing on information and knowledge over the past 20 years and I have some very good friends for it.

I don't know what the engineering job market is like but I guess human nature never changes.

Some people will not be interested ( just a job ) they will learn just enough to do the job and work just to the hours, often clock watching.

Some want to learn because they can get more money, or your job, if they don't get more money they leave as soon as they have the knowledge. They often don't have the experiance but a lot of course certificates and nearly as many jobs on their cv's.

Very occasionally you get someone who is really interested and wants to learn for themselves. You get just as much out of this person as you put in, often more. They tend to question a lot and come up with their own ideas, look after these people.

[lakeside]

In the U.S. companies have beat up the worker so bad in the last 20 year. That peoples no long care about helping on the job. We know that once someone else has the same skill level of the senior machinist and get half the pay and vacation time. Guess who going out the door. I only show young machinist the right way and never show the fast way

[trubleshtr]

What ever happened to LOYALTY between employer and emploee? Seems both sides are just as suspicious of the other these days.....

I was an apprentice, know I have a license and many years experience.I got this through work,experimenting on their equipment, breaking things at their expense.
Now, I can say I am efficient at what I do, and as such,I pass my knowledge on to new apprentices, just as I was once taught. Seems only natural to me.

Proffesional trades people will always show and teach the younger and new...that is life. One day when you are retired you can look back and be proud to have passed the torch so to speak.
The only time I would say "no" is if the trainee was truely not interested,reckless, or disrespectful to you as a trades person, that would be a waste of everyone's time.

Besides, sometimes it's nice to watch from the sidelines with clean hands as your apprentice grinds away at a problem getting all dirty and frusterated.

Always reminds me of Luke Skywalker and Yoda......"Do, or Do not, There is no "Try"

perhaps you can spin this into your advantage by asking for "supervisor" trainning....?Could open a door for that way?

Just my 2cents

[lakeside]

What ever happened to LOYALTY between employer and emploee?

This question can be answer best by Auto Works, Enron Works, Coal Miners just to name a few of the.................... Tens of Thousands of Workers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lakeside]

One day when you are retired you can look back

....And say how could they screw me out of my pension and retirement benefits those FUC..............SShOLES!!!!!!!!!!!!

.

[widgitmaster]

What the heck, I'm retired and if it helps someone do their thing easier, I'm all for sharing! One thing for sure, I can't bring it with me, anymore than I can bring all my tools!

Eric

[lakeside]

helping here in the zone is not like training your replacement at work and lets face the fact it happen every day now a days and it will be a long time before people care about companies the way they once did and it to bad because everyone losses