Plasma Quench Alternatives

[rock4xfab]

Is anyone or has anyone used somthing other then plasma quench or the DIY PQ in there water table.. Say RV antifreeze, non flamable corrosive protection and EPA legal.. I mean if you can put it in you water heater... I was out the other day and purchaced a gallon... I cam back and through a bunch of metal dust and shavings in it along with some tap water ( our shop well) which is highly mineralized. This allin a small glass.. so far I still have clean bare metal.. GOOD Bad Indiferent what are your thoughts and who is using what..

[Tensaiteki]

RV antifreeze isn't exactly non-flammable. At high enough temperatures it will burn, and vapors/mists can be ignited, even when mixed with water. Regular automotive antifreeze (ethylene glycol) is slightly more flammable than RV antifreeze (propylene glycol). Read the MSDS.

Unlike automotive antifreeze, RV antifreeze, doesn't contain as many corrosion inhibitors. Also, both oxidize when exposed to heat and air (plenty of both in this application) and become corrosive.

From Wikipedia:
"...biological fouling also occurs. Once bacterial slime starts, the corrosion rate of the system increases. Maintenance of systems using glycol solution includes regular monitoring of freeze protection, pH, specific gravity, inhibitor level, color and biological contamination."

I would not even try to use any type of glycol based antifreeze in a water table.

[Dustin407]

There is a really good post maybe 3-4 pages over that shows do and donts with water tables... It is very helpful.... All your inquries and questions should be answered...

[Zygoat]

There is a really good post maybe 3-4 pages over that shows do and donts with water tables... It is very helpful.... All your inquries and questions should be answered...

Link?

[tulsaturbo]

Many have used "Washing Soda" (laundry type) to treat the water in their tanks to stop the rust process from taking over the slats.

To give your water the recommended treatment you'll need to know how many gallons of water your tank holds.

As an estimated guess, the baking soda formula for water treatment is roughly:

1 cup (8oz) of baking soda per 20 gallons of water

[rock4xfab]

RV antifreeze isn't exactly non-flammable. At high enough temperatures it will burn, and vapors/mists can be ignited, even when mixed with water. Regular automotive antifreeze (ethylene glycol) is slightly more flammable than RV antifreeze (propylene glycol). Read the MSDS.

Unlike automotive antifreeze, RV antifreeze, doesn't contain as many corrosion inhibitors. Also, both oxidize when exposed to heat and air (plenty of both in this application) and become corrosive.

From Wikipedia:
"...biological fouling also occurs. Once bacterial slime starts, the corrosion rate of the system increases. Maintenance of systems using glycol solution includes regular monitoring of freeze protection, pH, specific gravity, inhibitor level, color and biological contamination."

I would not even try to use any type of glycol based antifreeze in a water table.

I was never intending automotive antifreeze. Just looking into another option, as for the RV stuff I picked up I have let it stand for 3 days with metal in it.. And the metal started rusting last night. As for it igniting, I hit that with a torch 1st day and it did not ignite, although I did not find anything in the MSDS that said what the fumes would/could be and that did give me a concern to ask. My tank is 41 Gallons LxWxH /231. I will have to look into the arm and hammer.. Any foaming issues that you know off?? OBveuosly I dont want a large washing machine in the shop LOL.. Keep the sugestions coming..

[PlasmaGuy]

rock4xfab,

I have used the Plasmaquench brand for years and it lasts forever IMO.

The company is out of business as you are most likely aware of... this doesn't help you.

Do a search for Plain Old Bill's recipe for Plasmaquench. There have been plenty of people that have made this concoction and it works.

There was some chatter about the ingredients, etc. i.e. environmentally friendly.... in Bills recipe but his formulation is close to the original stuff.

Anyway, good luck on your your build!

Tom

[keebler303]

I don't know which one is actually what you want but washing soda and baking soda are two different things.

Washing soda -sodium carbonate
Baking soda -sodium bicarbonate

You can make washing soda from baking soda by heating it. I did it before but I don't remember the exact temperature to use. I think its around 400F. It gives off CO2 gas so you want to spread it thin so it doesn't "volcano" in your oven. You should be able to google it. I resorted to this after not being able to easily find washing soda locally.

Matt

[rock4xfab]

rock4xfab,

I have used the Plasmaquench brand for years and it lasts forever IMO.

The company is out of business as you are most likely aware of... this doesn't help you.

Do a search for Plain Old Bill's recipe for Plasmaquench. There have been plenty of people that have made this concoction and it works.

There was some chatter about the ingredients, etc. i.e. environmentally friendly.... in Bills recipe but his formulation is close to the original stuff.

Anyway, good luck on your your build!

Tom

I have the reciepe for the DIY.. THe original company is out of business. They were near my location when they were open. There is another company selling a plasma quench, I talked to them a week ago. But dam that stuff is expensive in my O2.. Thats why I started the thread to see if others found a different way other then home made or bought.

[tulsaturbo]

I will have to look into the arm and hammer.. Any foaming issues that you know off?? OBveuosly I dont want a large washing machine in the shop LOL..

(Arm & Hammer Washing Soda -sodium carbonate) No foaming whatsoever. Water always remains clear.

Do a little research on it before making fun of it and you will find that it is a cheap, simple and viable alternative to plasma quench and other elaborate recipes found on the web.

[tulsaturbo]

I don't know which one is actually what you want but washing soda and baking soda are two different things.

Washing soda -sodium carbonate
Baking soda -sodium bicarbonate

You can make washing soda from baking soda by heating it. I did it before but I don't remember the exact temperature to use. I think its around 400F. It gives off CO2 gas so you want to spread it thin so it doesn't "volcano" in your oven. You should be able to google it. I resorted to this after not being able to easily find washing soda locally.

Matt

Matt,

You can get it here online if you don't have a local Ace Hardware store in your area...

Arm & Hammer® Super Washing Soda (03020) - Specialty Laundry Cleaners - Ace Hardware

[rock4xfab]

(Arm & Hammer Washing Soda -sodium carbonate) No foaming whatsoever. Water always remains clear.

Do a little research on it before making fun of it and you will find that it is a cheap, simple and viable alternative to plasma quench and other elaborate recipes found on the web.

Sweet Thank you.. I will start a little more reading....