Help with Huanyang HY02D223B

[mhasting2004]

The parameters that set this are PD170 and 171

In my notes I have them set at 5 and 7 respectfully I'm not at my machine so can't verify if they are still that.

Read those two parameters a few times and eventually it sortof makes sense..

Cheers

[CurtisBarclay]

Thanks for everything Mark.
I tried what you suggested, no change.

[CNCMAN172]

CurtisBarclay,

If you are able to talk to the VFD with spindle talker you know the RS485 interface is working so you mostly likely have a configuration issue. I frequently got the 99 response when my interface was noisy. The plugin might be more sensitive than the spindle talker program. I read on the forum to try and put a RF choke on the USB line to help eliminate noise. I took one of the removeable EMI interference units from a standard USB cable and put that magnetic donut on and looped the wire twice and it actually started working.

You said you are using an RS232-RS485 converter which is probably less sensitive than the USB type. The first thing to check is to make sure you have a balanced load on the RS485 interface. Do you have any resistor across the RS484 interface at the VFD, I can not recall the value but this is an important step. How long is the cable that is going from the converter to the VFD, the longer the more issues you can have on noise. If you have it balanced with a resistor you might also want to add some EMI protection on the cable from the computer to the RS232-RS485 converter on both sides. Trust me the noise issue on RS485 is very sensitive on the VFD because of all the noise generated by the motor itself. I had it at one point starting the motor and then I could not change anything. I could read it all day long as long as I did not try to turn on the motor. This is all with a double shielded cable to the motor. Posting more data about what you have tried will help the great group on CNCzone to help you resolve your issue. Lots of superstar on the zone...

CNCMAN172
Russ

[RHT]

Quick question, I hope. Have SS and soundlogic bob with a Huanyang VFD that I am attempting to make work with mach. I am able to get the VFD to work correctly with the keypad on it. Thanks to the spreadsheet mHastings(I think )put together. I have been able to get the VFD to turn the spindle (2.2kw) on and off through mach but it starts at the minimum speed and will not respond to any mach commands to change speed.

Question, does anyone have experience with these VFDs and know whether there needs to be 2 or 3 wires to speed control. My supplier thought that only 2 were needed and connected to the V1 and ACM connections. Do I need another to the +10 post with 10volts?

I am electrically challenged so be kind.

TIA

[Euro3D]

Hi RHT,

Take a look at Tooldesigners post here, Also building a CRP4848

in post number #56 covers speed control wiring of the VFD, there is detailed video showing how he wired up a potentiometer to HY02D223B.

I have got different problem

I wired up a three phase plug and lead into my VFD, a HY02D223B, three 240VAC hot legs onto R, S and T terminals and the Earth to E, left the neutral unconnected. Three phase power.

I powered up the VFD by plugging in the three phase plug into the three phase wall socket.

There was silence for 5 seconds, no led light on the VFD, then right on 5 seconds a pop and smoke. The VFD popping tripped the three phase circuit breaker on the main board as well as blowing two of the three phase fuses on the main board!

I am wondering if anyone has had the same problem?

I have been thinking about since the smoke has settled am starting to conclude the HY02D223B is not rated for three phases of 240VAC which is 400V across any two hot legs and the reason it got toasted. Which means if you want a three phase input you would need to go to a 43B. My next question is can the output be contained to 220V three phase so the 2.2kw water cooled spindle can be operated by the 43B?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

JOhn

[Al_The_Man]

I think you are confusing the 240v three phase definition, which is 240v between phases if you used a 3ph supply that was 240v from phase to neutral then you have 415v between phases?
Which is termed 415v 3ph.
Al.

[Euro3D]

Hi Al,

Thanks for a quick reply.

You are right, I interpreted 3 Phase 240VAC as 240VAC from phase to neutral which is as you state is incorrect as this is the definition for 3 phase 415VAC

I think you have confirmed the reason I blew the living daylights out of my 23B VFD!

Do you think I am on the right track then if I want to use 415VAc three phase input into the VFD I need to buy a HY02D243B (43B), rated for 380VAC 3 Phase?


My next question is that the VFD documentation states the output voltage of the VFD is the same as the input voltage which means the 43B VFD will output 380V to the 2.2kw water cooled spindle which is only rated for 220VAC or can the output voltage be kept to a 220VAC maximum via the PD settings?

Any of your thoughts on this will be much appreciated.

Cheers

John

p.s is there such a 3 phase voltage where there is 240V between the phases?

[Al_The_Man]

You really need a motor that is rated for the voltage you are providing, 415v into a 380v may be pushing it a bit, although they do have a certain tolerance, if you cannot find one close, it may be more practical to look for VFD that is rated for your supply voltage?
I know the likes of Telemecanique and WEG etc are more expensive, but I have found deals on these on ebay, and they are way more quality than Huanyang.
There is not normal system that uses 240v 3ph that I know of, it would have to be created with a suitable transformer.
In N.A. it is 208 or 220 3ph.
Al.

[Euro3D]

Hi Al,

Thanks again for your replies, you have been spot on and confirmed why I cooked the VFD.

I have two input supplies available in the workshop,
- 3 Phase 400VAC (each hot leg is 230VAc not 240)
- single phase 230VAC

I was trying to run with the three phase input with a view to improving the efficiency of the VFD but made an error in interpreting the 23b VFD 3 phase voltage input. 3 phase 230VAC is NOT 3 phase 400VAC.

I will get another Chinese 220VAC VFD and hook up the single phase input supply and live with the inefficiency. I expect it will have a short life but give me a chance to learn more before I burn again.

Will be in a better position to make a decision on better quality VFD and Spindle especially VFD side after have some experience with programming one and running one.

Cheers

John

[day1118]

Hi guys. I am currently finalizing my design for my CNC router. Its primary use is for isolation routing for PCBs, but may also use it for a little bit of wood and even Aluminium. The machine may not get used too often and jobs will not be time critical (doesn't matter if it takes ages to cut.) However I would like high accuracy (low runout) so that I can get the PCBs accurate.

I have read a LOT of stuff on this forum, and just want to check that everything I have come to understand is correct and get some final advice.

I am considering getting a water-cooled Chinese spindle and VFD as it should have less runout than our dremel. (Have have not ever tried/test the runout, but going from reading.)

(Link to the spindle)
a water-cooled spindle motor 2.2kw with a VFD as a set | eBay
Planning on buying from Linearmotionbearings. If you have bought from them could you please post your experiences.

From what I have read I am considering getting a Hitachi X200 to drive the spindle instead of the Chinese VFD. However I have read that the current Chinese VFDs are quite reasonable. (Some of the posts from 2009/10 complain they have a few problems, but the newer posts say their not bad.)

1.) What are your thoughts/ recommendations? Would it be worth it (enough gained) as the spindle would still be chinese? Is there anywhere you can get reasonable spindles and vfds bundled that are reasonably good quality?

I am also tossing up what size spindle to get. I don't think I need the power, but the 1.5Kw spindle comes with an ER11 fitting which I have read people complain about. The 2.2Kw spindle comes with an ER20 collet.

2.) Am I better off getting the larger spindle just for the larger collet? I won't necessarily need to use large bits (generally very small ones for PCB, will this affect the runout?).

I have also read that people have had trouble as their spindles that are meant to have ER11 collets actually end up having ER11a or ER11b collets.

3.) Is this a problem? Would having an ER20 get around this issue?

Thanks for your help
Anthony

[joprinz]

1.) What are your thoughts/ recommendations? Would it be worth it (enough gained) as the spindle would still be chinese? Is there anywhere you can get reasonable spindles and vfds bundled that are reasonably good quality?

Chinese VFDs available these days are quite reliable. However like most Chinese products these VFDs dont undergo serious quality checks and tests. So there is always the possibility of getting a VFD which gets fried on its first run. But when you buy a spindle along with a matched VFD as a combo purchase the VFD prices are very nominal. Also you will not pay much for shipping too since the VFD is pretty light compared to the Spindle. So in all I would say Go for the Chinese VFD. It may be a gamble but chances of you getting a Good error-free VFD is pretty High.

I am also tossing up what size spindle to get. I don't think I need the power, but the 1.5Kw spindle comes with an ER11 fitting which I have read people complain about. The 2.2Kw spindle comes with an ER20 collet.

A 2.2kW water cooled ER20 spindle is the most common Chinese spindle there is. Pretty much every CNC enthusiast i know has at some point bought one. ER20 is pretty standard too. So you wont have much trouble finding replacements.

2.) Am I better off getting the larger spindle just for the larger collet? I won't necessarily need to use large bits (generally very small ones for PCB, will this affect the runout?).

I have also read that people have had trouble as their spindles that are meant to have ER11 collets actually end up having ER11a or ER11b collets.

My understanding is that runout is more dependent on the bearings (Ceramic bearings are supposed to be the best for this) and the workmanship, which explains why a branded German/Japanese make Spindle cost you thousands of $$... The more you pay the lesser the runout.

3.) Is this a problem? Would having an ER20 get around this issue?

I do not know if a smaller/larger collet would help with lowering runout (maybe someone can explain this better then me). But i do know atleast a couple of my friends happy using 2.2kW water cooled ER20 spindles for PCB work. So i guess they should be fine for your application.

Good Luck!

Joe

[oz1411]

hey guys

any one know why i can not reverse?

it took me 3 days to get it to run properly already due to incorect wiring diagram(the 4 pin connector was not solderd like the picture provided.

i get the 2400rpm and it sounds great ext but can not reverse

thank you