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I have a 240V rotary phase converter with a 15HP motor on it. It is about 30 years old, and I decided to shotgun the capacitors - 12 caps in parallel, each is a 50 mfd 377 volt cap. It was working when removed from service, but the caps were looking corroded and I wanted to work on it when I had time. I put the new caps in, and it started / ran great. Tried it again to check the motor bearings, still great. Coasted a long time, bearings sound fine. My buddy decided to try it with a motor when I was not around, and paralleled a 3 HP 3PH motor right across the 3 motor leads. When he turned on the breaker, it sounded like it was single phasing and would not spin. I took off the 3 hp motor, and it still would not spin - sounds like the motor is single phasing. I checked all the capacitors with an industrial capacitor tester, they are all good. I unhooked all the capacitors and took the motor to a motor shop and put it on 3PH 230V, it started and ran great - very smooth, even current on each leg. I put another set of known good capacitors on it and tried it on my original 245V 1PH supply - it still won't start - still sounds like it is single phasing. I can't start spinning the motor with a rope, because the factory cut the shaft off and capped the shaft on both ends. I am kind of stuck here - does anyone have a suggestion for what I can try next? Thanks in advance - Old Fat Guy |
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| It sounds like your start circuit is not working? how is it started by start cap and PB and or PB & timer. Al.
__________________ CNC, Mechatronics Integration and Machine Design. “Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere.” Albert E. |
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| It has never had a separate starting circuit. No timers or start capacitors. The capacitors are across T2 and the generated leg, and T1 and T2 have always been connected to a 2 pole switch on the single phase 240V supply. I prefer the newer units with starting circuits, but this one has worked OK without one for the last 30 years. I can't figure out what has changed. |
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| I have never come across a RPC that did not have a start circuit, especially when you get up to 15hp? In a simple application a PB would place a large value bi-polar Cap from one of the 240v 1ph lines to the artificially generated phase to start rotation. This provides a high out of phase starting current in the third phase, similar to what is done in a split phase 1ph motor. In your case, I would guess that in changing the caps, you omitted or changed the value of the start cap. Al.
__________________ CNC, Mechatronics Integration and Machine Design. “Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere.” Albert E. Last edited by Al_The_Man; 09-19-2011 at 06:33 PM. |
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| I will shoot you a picture if I can. I have (12) run capacitors, all are 50mfd @ 370VAC and they are all parallel with each other across T2, which is AC line 2, and T3, which is the manufactured leg. Noisy on startup on a good day. Deep here in Farmland, we actually have phase generators with _no_ capacitors. They use a single phase motor shaft connected to the three phase motor shaft, and power up the single phase motor first. After it comes up to speed, they throw power on the 3 phase motor. After it comes up to speed, they start adding the 3 phase loads. Can't be pretty (don't even want to see it on a scope!) but it runs the grain augers OK. I would not use it like that, but some of the old school guys do. |
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| Apart from the starting situation it has probabally never been tuned. Here is a typical set up. look at the FRW- files. metalworking.com - /dropbox/_1998_retired_files/ Al
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