Newbie questions

[Deano7/11]

Guys
Looking at another lathe. All other machines are fanuc or fadal. These ones are okuma.
The machines are at auction so can't be run prior to sale.
If successful at auction can the machines be transported with the turret in the home position without any bracing to stop the turret smashing into the axis stops first time the truck driver puts the brakes on? I have never transported a machine without bracing the turret And didn't like the sound of doing it at all.
Also I here on this forum people talk about getting system disks with the machine. Pretty sure they won't be with it. Control is osp7000 what will be the go if something goes wrong in the future will I have a boat anchor without the disks? Can a copy be made based on what's in the control already?
I suspect we wont be able to turn the machines on and the auction company has either already disconnected the machines or will be very soon after sale. I will confirm this tho but need to consider what to do if power is disconnected already.

Your thoughts?

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[deadlykitten]

this reminds me when 1st lathe arrived, and the driver smashed the trailer into a bridge this is why cncs come in a cage

we moved later the lathes at a new location, and we only put the anchors for the crane, leaving the turret as it was

we used a truck with air suspension, that could go over hard terain but still keep the platform straight

if you can load / unload the cnc without too much balance is ok

also look for a responsible driver, so to avoid hard breakes : nothing happens if lathes will get were they must with a delay of 24 hours or more

so use qualified personel when relocating and it may work if turret is not where it should also, a wrong turret position may lead to unbalance, making it hard to raise the cnc

[Deano7/11]

this reminds me when 1st lathe arrived, and the driver smashed the trailer into a bridge this is why cncs come in a cage

we moved later the lathes at a new location, and we only put the anchors for the crane, leaving the turret as it was

we used a truck with air suspension, that could go over hard terain but still keep the platform straight

if you can load / unload the cnc without too much balance is ok

also look for a responsible driver, so to avoid hard breakes : nothing happens if lathes will get were they must with a delay of 24 hours or more

so use qualified personel when relocating and it may work if turret is not where it should also, a wrong turret position may lead to unbalance, making it impossible to raise the cnc

Thanks for the reply.
They will lift the machine with a 10t fork lift. I only use machine relocation specialists and they are very good. I have already spoken to them about this. They will end up getting the gig removing the rest of the machines most likely. They say they try to brace the turret as best they can prior to hitting to road. But curious to hear other people thoughts about this issue.

[deadlykitten]

one more thing : lathes footprint is not as big as their perimeter ... this may lead to issues : if somehow the lathe is loaded on ground that is not straight, but considered ok even if it has a small degree slope, than it may fall

[Superman]

Deano .. what part of Aus ?

Ring the Okuma guys, & ask them..
... the Aus. guys are quite knowledgeable & approachable....
...... they usually are good at keeping records / maintenance history of the Aussie machines.

... & yes .... the disks ( usually stored in the electrical cabinets, along with the machine data sheets . ) should (must) be with the machine...... plus having the manuals would make it even better

If the machine has a dead battery, the machine parameters would need reloading,...... from that machine's disks..... with possibly a few tweaks from the data sheet.
( so the machine should be classed as a boat anchor, unless it has proved that it runs, that includes having good spindle bearings.... & that machine's disks are also available )

The machine NEEDS to be powered up occasionally, else the battery dies.....so if it has had no power for a while (say1 year)..... consider it a dead control, & the parameters would need re-loading.... no disks...... add a grand to get them.( guessing here)

( I'd consider the machine if the Aussie Okuma guys could confirm it's history, & gave it a tick as a god machine, & has the disks )

[deadlykitten]

They will lift the machine with a 10t fork lift

i was a bit tired when i read your post

please be aware that mass center inside a lathe is not in the middle of the volume, so to say; is not like the center of a parallelepiped, where diagonals cross

lathes have a tendency to lean in front,as well as on side

okuma may deliver ancors specific for that machine that allows rising it from above

be carefull if you tend to raise the cnc from underneath it ; visually all may look good, but it may lead to chasis tension ; even if there is room for the forklift, this does not mean that you should stick the fork there

if you try to raise the cnc from underneath, please be carefull well, you would anyhow
... from back, it will lean in front, unbalancing the forklift
... from front, it will lean towards the forklift cabin, and the control will stay in the way

if possible, consider using the forklift as a crane, if there is enough vertical travel but ...

also pay atention to how smooth the forklift can operate

and, of course, all what Superman said

what part of Aus ?

that side of Australia that can not be viewed from outerspace

[Deano7/11]

Hi guys. In melbourne.
If the disks are usually in the elect cab then they will probably be there. We will check when we inspect the machine.
Machines were all running in dec last year so should be good. I will ring okuma Monday and get their opinion. Thanks for the help.