I just got 4 of the standard length and one of the 3" extension in the mail this week. They look very comparable to the name brand version side by side, the Novakon version has a deeper groove so no need for a special r8 collet. I just tested one of the Novakon er20 chucks with an el-cheapo 3/8 collet and brand new 3/8 shank end mill. I got .0005 runout.


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