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    Quote Originally Posted by RCaffin View Post
    A convincing demonstration of Darwinian evolution.

    Cheers
    Roger
    Well, as far as the evolution of cnc control software is concerned!

    I must thank all who've replied to my questions. I was going to buy Mach 4. Is the feeling that it is a "dead man walking" prevalent among cnc'ers? If it is, one must conclude that Mach 3 is also a "dead man", because of the lack of updates and the progression of operating systems.

    I have a question regarding some of the higher priced Centroid products (>$1,500).

    Are these regarded as good, stable products?

    Another question about LinuxCNC; Is it stable for turning?

    Besides the others mentioned (Tormach PP (Linux) and UCCNC), could someone recommend me a stable and well supported control software for a Novatron Torus Pro (when I get it) and a 14" x 40" lathe cnc conversion?

    Thanks in advance, once again.



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    one must conclude that Mach 3 is also a "dead man", because of the lack of updates and the progression of operating systems.
    Well, it is not quite that simple.
    Maybe Mach4 will get there in the end. Certainly, Artsoft has a huge imperative to get there, but right now they seem a bit bogged.

    But to say that Mach3 is a dead man ... that's a bit like saying that XP and Windows 7 are dead men. Yes, to be sure, there have been later releases of both product lines, but it is notable that both XP and W7 continue to be used quite happily by hundreds of thousands of users around the world. In fact, one could also compare Windows 10 to Mach4 in some ways: both have been much trumpeted by the vendors, but users don't seem to be in a hurry to switch. Never forget: there are thousands of Mach3 users running very happily today, and there is a very large user support community, here and at Artsoft.

    Yes, I am biased: I have been running Mach3 on XP and now on W7 in a semi-production manner, for some years.

    Cheers
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    PathPilot works great on CNC lathe conversion. I did my Grizzly G0604 and it worked like a champ.

    I can help you somewhat along the way if you need.



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    If it is, one must conclude that Mach 3 is also a "dead man", because of the lack of updates and the progression of operating systems.
    Unless you are already using Mach3, there's really no reason that anyone should be buying it today, with so many better options available.



    In fact, one could also compare Windows 10 to Mach4 in some ways: both have been much trumpeted by the vendors, but users don't seem to be in a hurry to switch.

    ??????

    The majority of the world switched to Windows 10 last year, when it was a free upgrade.

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    Default Re: Whats the latest on control software?

    Quote Originally Posted by RCaffin View Post
    But to say that Mach3 is a dead man ... that's a bit like saying that XP and Windows 7 are dead men.
    ALL work on Mach3 stopped at least 5 years ago. There have been, and will never be, even as much as a single bug fix for Mach3, despite its many long-standing bugs.

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    Mach 3 will be a viable controller indefinitely on system running a version of Windows that plays well with it. Glitchy, sometimes on some computers, but not everyone will see those depending on what other hardware and software is being used. It is not bullet proof, but if you don't go picking fights you could survive without a scratch.

    Mach 3 is also only as strong as the computer running it. If it has issues, you can bet Mach 3 will too. Optimizing Windows for Mach 3 should be the very first thing you do. That means stripping out everything. Barebone Windows. No network, sleep settings, power savers, screen savers, anti-virus, Cam packages, solitaire, facebook etc.
    Mach 3 should really be the only software other than Windows on that computer. Once this is accomplished and tested, then you have a Mach 3 controller.
    Otherwise you just have a PC with Mach 3 installed.

    That said, I do still use Mach 3 on two machines. One uses Smooth stepper now and the other will soon. SS not without it's own set of issues at times.
    I am still actively looking of better solutions and will implement them one day maybe. Until then, the machines still get the job done. Most of the time without any problems.

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    Using a motion controller with Mach3 "should" take the PC out of the equatiion.

    One uses Smooth stepper now and the other will soon. SS not without it's own set of issues at times.
    Then why would you buy another one??

    I am still actively looking of better solutions and will implement them one day maybe.
    Look at UCCNC. it "feels" very similar to Mach3, but without all the bugs. They develop their own hardware and software, so you don't have plugin issues like you do with Mach3 and the ESS. Software and firmware are always in sync.
    If you find a bug, it's usually fixed in a few days.

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    Default Re: Whats the latest on control software?

    Quote Originally Posted by ger21 View Post
    Using a motion controller with Mach3 "should" take the PC out of the equatiion.



    Then why would you buy another one??



    Look at UCCNC. it "feels" very similar to Mach3, but without all the bugs. They develop their own hardware and software, so you don't have plugin issues like you do with Mach3 and the ESS. Software and firmware are always in sync.
    If you find a bug, it's usually fixed in a few days.
    Thanks, Gerry.
    I bought a new system because of the Plug and Play aspect. CRP Nema 23 system. I have built enough machines now to know that I dislike building the electrical panels more than I dislike having Mach 3 mess up a part every now and them.
    Since two of my machines currently use Path Pilot, it would be my first choice for the router and plasma. It can handle the router easy enough with a different PC. Running it with a laptop now. Not sure how it would handle THC though.
    Also both would need some fiddling in the CRP plug and play box to bypass the SS. There goes the plug and play.
    So Mach 3 it is for now.

    I do have the parts on hand now to automate my manual spring coiler. I am researching control options for it now. I have a bunch of Arduino stuff, but have barely done much to learn how to use it yet. Pretty straight forward stuff though once I have a set direction and hardware needs. Considering Mach 3 too, but would like to get rid of the computer. I will check out UCCNC as well.

    It will be using the same size wire and making the same left and right torsion springs all the time, so a computer really is not needed.

    Lee


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