share your experience with offshore molds, dies or machined parts

[Khalid]

Robert,
The discussion seems that someone here will soon going to offer high quality Molds making service .. No offense intended, but i have seen such threads for the past 6 years and these ended up providing their own services to the community...

[universalfab]

If china can't make there molds, then china can't make anything worth a **** "even with your help they still make garbage". Why do you help china mass produce and drive our economy further down? I know you need to eat, but I was tought "this was pertaining to hotrods" by my grandfather if you can't do it yourself then you don't need it. I think if a entire country can't figure it out, then they should be destined to failure. This is BS, we should be the ones selling everyone else products. This thread and you robert turned out to be very disappointing. Right now I don't think much would change my mind about you, but I would like to hear some kind of argument.

[3D Accuracy]

Robert,
The discussion seems that someone here will soon going to offer high quality Molds making service .. No offense intended, but i have seen such threads for the past 6 years and these ended up providing their own services to the community...

What facts do you have to make such an erroneous statement about my services? Absolutely none!

Or is your true reason for making an off topic post here to spam advertise your services with links in your signature? I'm not interested!

You may think this is good for the community but I have seen this behavior of spam advertising US forums from factories in China and other 3rd world countries destroy their usefulness. On many forums this will get you banned!

Consider this conversation dead and please don't post to this thread with off topic dribble.

Robert
3D Accuracy

[3D Accuracy]

If china can't make there molds, then china can't make anything worth a **** "even with your help they still make garbage". Why do you help china mass produce and drive our economy further down? I know you need to eat, but I was tought "this was pertaining to hotrods" by my grandfather if you can't do it yourself then you don't need it. I think if a entire country can't figure it out, then they should be destined to failure. This is BS, we should be the ones selling everyone else products. This thread and you robert turned out to be very disappointing. Right now I don't think much would change my mind about you, but I would like to hear some kind of argument.

Hold your horses universalfab,

I'm on your side and I agree with you 100%. Read my post from 10/20 again. The subject is "forget Chinese mold factories" and the post goes on to explain why.

When I'm in China, as I currently am now, I'm only here to help a customer in the USA, NOT the Chinese mold factory. These customers have problems and want to get their mold/s out of China asap! This gives me the opportunity to point out all the problems with doing business in China and redirect future molds to be made in the USA where they should have been made in the first place. My goal is to keep this work in the USA and keep US companies busy!

I have a very strict policy concerning China. I never provide them with help or any form of education, never tell them how things are done in the USA or how to do something and never explain why the customer wants something a particular way. Most of the mold factories in China can't or are unwilling to follow instructions anyway and doom themselves.

I even block the IP addresses of all Chinese mold factories so they don't have access to the information on my website. I don't know of any other company who does this. By not doing so many US companies are inadvertently providing a free education to the very same people who are taking the work from them!

Also just to let you know, next week I'm being introduced to the head of the NTMA who is pushing a "Re-shoring" policy of his own and I hope to join forces and share information with him to help push the cause.

I have also been asked to give a speech by the AMBA (American Mold Builders Association) regarding Chinese mold factories and all the problems associated with doing business in China. I will be doing so the next time I'm in Chicago.

There is also a major trade magazine that would like to write an article about my efforts and provide links to the information about the problems with Chinese mold factories that I have posted online.

So you see, I'm on your side and I'm doing everything I can to keep business and manufacturing here in the USA.

The real culprit here are the OEM's who pressure injection molders to take their molds offshore in the first place. It is these companies who have eroded the US economy and taken away the manufacturing jobs. For example, I have heard from more than one source that the three major US auto industry companies have dictated that up to 80% of their injection molds be manufactured in China! This takes billions of dollars out of the USA and seriously erodes US manufacturing. On the other hand the two major Japanese auto manufacturers who have manufacturing facilities in the USA have their injection molds made in the USA. No wonder the quality of their automobiles are so much better, they know where to get the job done properly.

One way to make a difference is to be aware of which companies are having their products made offshore. This will allow you to decide whether or not you want to support their decision to take away US manufacturing jobs by not purchasing their products. I recommend you search the internet for US made products no matter what it is you want to buy. Every time I need to purchase something this is the first thing I do.

I don't want to post links here on this forum to information I've posted online so I'm going to send them to you in a PM. Read them and then let me know what you think. Anyone else who is interested send me a PM and I'll provide you with the links as well.

Have a terrific day!
Robert
3D Accuracy

[Khalid]

Hi Robert,
"What facts do you have to make such an erroneous statement about my services? Absolutely none!"
Why you thought I am pointing toward You.. Did i mentioned your name????

Or is your true reason for making an off topic post here to spam advertise your services with links in your signature? I'm not interested!
I just expressed my opinion, and my opinion is not Offtopic...Everybody has right to post/warn others...

My signatures blogs are related to my CNC work and I am the member of CNCZone... One thing more i do not charges for Laser scanning services and it is free of cost..So i am having no benefits at all...

Robert, please think Positive...
TC

[3D Accuracy]

Hi Robert,
"What facts do you have to make such an erroneous statement about my services? Absolutely none!"
Why you thought I am pointing toward You.. Did i mentioned your name????

Or is your true reason for making an off topic post here to spam advertise your services with links in your signature? I'm not interested!
I just expressed my opinion, and my opinion is not Offtopic...Everybody has right to post/warn others...

My signatures blogs are related to my CNC work and I am the member of CNCZone... One thing more i do not charges for Laser scanning services and it is free of cost..So i am having no benefits at all...

Robert, please think Positive...
TC

Did I miss the fact that your post was addressed to me? Did you not start the post with my name?

You have a right to your opinion but it's still off topic dribble to this thread. Kill it or start another thread.

Robert
3D Accuracy

[Khalid]

Hi Robert,
I am really happy for whatever you are doing, but i have some similar experiences from others in the past.... The peoples start a Topic gather the sympathy and trust of community and then betray them...
I am writing these lines per my past experiences...Look at my No. of Posts, I have read 100 times more posts from Others...
I am sorry if you are offended but literally it was not pointed toward you... If you respond this post i will give my arguments..So do not respond so that i do not post here...

[Khalid]

Hi Robert,
I am really happy for whatever you are doing, but i have some similar experiences from others in the past.... The peoples start a Topic gather the sympathy and trust of community and then betray them...
I am writing these lines per my past experiences...Look at my No. of Posts, I have read 100 times more posts from Others...
I am sorry if you are offended but literally it was not pointed toward you... If you respond this post i will give my arguments..So do not respond so that i do not post here...

As far as chinese products are concerned, Our economy has captured by china, our industries are closed and Now this Anaconda is moving toward you...

Do You know, we have NOKIA E71 for only 70 dollars with complete Accessories, memory card, batteris, head phone sets etc... So what do you think can you compete?

[3D Accuracy]

Khalid,

My apologies. I took your original post to be an unjustified projecting directed towards me which is why I defended my position so strongly.

This is a very important issue to me. Anyone who knows me personally knows that what I'm trying to do goes beyond this community, however, I can not make the progress or provide the help which is needed for the manufacturing industries in the USA without the support of this community and others. Betraying this community is not my intention as it would completely undermine what I'm trying to do.

Actually I believe that it is those in the USA who sit on the fence and do nothing that are betraying not only themselves but the entire manufacturing industry. We enjoy having freedom of speech in the USA so I think that everyone should get involved and voice their opinion on this matter.

Most of us in the manufacturing industry made a good living until several years ago when cheap, low quality offshore manufacturing started to flood the US market. This has severely damaged the US economy as many companies started using these offshore services to save money. What many have discovered is that it actually cost them much more doing business offshore in the long run. However, there is still a mistaken belief that they must go offshore in order to compete in the market.

I'm gathering the experiences of those who have used offshore manufacturing services and sharing them with OEM's and other customers so they get an education about what to really expect. It gives them a better picture about the true cost of doing business offshore. These are clearly posted online along with my 14 years of experiences dealing with offshore mold factories. 95% of the people I've talked to have had problems offshore which has also been my experience.

Note that I have never taken an injection mold project offshore and never recommend to others to do so. The only reason I go there is because customers I know decided to have their mold/s made in China and had problems. Because of my experience and knowledge about injection molds they request that I go to China, assess the situation, determine where best to make the needed adjustments and/or repairs and get their mold/s out of the country asap!

So far this year I've kept several projects from going offshore, one was a package of injection molds valued at almost $2,000,000. It won't be going to China as was originally intended. Instead a mold shop or several mold shops in the USA will be seeing this work. I'm sure they'll be grateful for my efforts and I will reap the satisfaction of knowing that I was able to do something for my fellow US citizens who work in the manufacturing industry.

Unlike some who reside here in the USA I have no doubts about which country my loyalties belong to!

Let's just agree that we had a slight misunderstanding and let this rest.

Have a terrific day!
Robert
3D Accuracy

P.S. I'm sorry to hear that China has already destroyed the industry in your country. This is truly unfortunate and should never be allowed to happen. Here in the USA that Anaconda will eventually have it's head cut off, I can guarantee it!

[tenaja]

Robert, do you make molds yourself? If not, who do you recommend we use?

[mauriceduteau]

I make a lot of tooling here in China, have done so for 12 plus years. You can find bad shops and good ones, we've found some good ones and stuck with them. They'll bend over backwards for us. The owner of the one shop personally delivers test shots to our door, sometimes after pulling an all nighter to help us hit a deadline. You have to do your homework but once you are hooked in there are some great benefits.

Maurice

[universalfab]

Looks like you didn't fully explain Robert, I now understand and am happy to hear your reason for being over there. I too try to always buy USA made products in general "we only buy U.S.A. made machinery and tooling" if it's available and I think most people like myself and my business would be more then happy to spend the extra $1.00 or $2.00 for the USA made products, reallity is that most of USA's product price line isn't much higher then china anymore. For example drill bits, I can buy a deep hole drill bit for $2.25 and that's made in USA and last 10 or more times longer that is made to listed specs, or I could buy a piece of garbage made in china that varries from bit to bit in size for $2.00. And the same thing goes on with any cutters and most all products that are still made here. Good luck Robert and hope to see the effects from your work and everyone else's that is on this same page that were on.