MasterCAM X

[jonbanquer]

When is it suppose to be available ?

Will it have a graphical post constructor ?

Any UI screenshots available, yet ?


jon

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[cadcam]

Jon at this time we are looking at a beta around the 1st of the year.

There is no screen shots for the puplic at this time.

I have a question for you, Are you also on the Alt.cnc.news group?
Would you be the same by chance?

thanks Jay

[jonbanquer]

Originally posted by cadcam
Jon at this time we are looking at a beta around the 1st of the year.

There is no screen shots for the puplic at this time.

I have a question for you, Are you also on the Alt.cnc.news group?
Would you be the same by chance?

thanks Jay

Must be another jon banquer, Jay but gosh darn it I really like what that guy posts. ;>)

jon

[cadcam]

Long time no read.
So how will you play here?

So How did you end up here?

J

[jonbanquer]

Originally posted by cadcam
Long time no read.
So how will you play here?

So How did you end up here?

J

By the rules like everyone else.

Ended up here because I think more alternatives need to
exist and I did not like how www.cncgurus.com got
destroyed. I have said as much in the newsgroup that you
made reference to. This website appears to be very well run
and I don't expect what happened at cncgurus to happen here.

How is it you ended up here ?

Now... about that graphical post constructor in MasterCAM X.
Has this been declared as something that is going to be
addressed ? I think we really should try and keep this on
topic, don't you ?

jon

[anorec]

Originally posted by cadcam
Jon at this time we are looking at a beta around the 1st of the year.

What ?! MCam 10 is already scheduled for beginning of the next year? I really hope V9 (currently V9.1SP1) will be debugged before... with 9.1, some bugs have been corrected but some really huge appeared (mainly with new verify module) and are still alive and annoying.

Knowing my boss won't pay for V10 upgrade i hope V9 support will be continued...

[jbtech]

Originally posted by cadcam
Jon at this time we are looking at a beta around the 1st of the year.

There is no screen shots for the puplic at this time.

I have a question for you, Are you also on the Alt.cnc.news group?
Would you be the same by chance?

thanks Jay

Same guy, I'm certain.

[Rekd]

Originally posted by jbtech
Same guy, I'm certain.

Yes, same guy. Though he refuses to admit it. Not just from the sewers of alt .cnc either.

I will ask the same question:



How will you play here?

'Rekd

[cadcam]

Jon, to answer the question ,At this time there is no talk of the graphical post constructor .

But like alwas you can adjust the post to your likeing.




anorec, as for the release we are only talking beta testing at the the end of the year . you as the public will not see it for at least another year & half or more.

There will still be support for V9.1 There are more uodates come real soon for MC users.

[jonbanquer]

Originally posted by cadcam
Jon, to answer the question ,At this time there is no talk of the graphical post constructor .

There was plenty of talk about it from one of the main posters to the emastercam forum about a year or so ago in the newsgroup that you mentioned.

I wonder what reason for the delay is. Certainly would be a big selling factor for MasterCAM X when it's finally released.

jon

[cadcam]

There was plenty of talk about it from one of the main posters to the emastercam forum about a year or so ago in the newsgroup that you mentioned.

Yes there was lots of talk.But nothing at this time that I can speak of has occured at this moment.

So what is the full time software you are using at this time? If I may ask.

I wonder what reason for the delay is. Certainly would be a big selling factor for MasterCAM X when it's finally released.

I agree this would be a good selling & user tool.

[anorec]

Originally posted by cadcam
Jon, to answer the question ,At this time there is no talk of the graphical post constructor .

But like alwas you can adjust the post to your likeing.

Yeah, that's already great and better than other competitors...

anorec, as for the release we are only talking beta testing at the the end of the year . you as the public will not see it for at least another year & half or more.

There will still be support for V9.1 There are more uodates come real soon for MC users.

I'm reassured !

[jonbanquer]

The small job shop I'm currently at uses ShopCAM, SmartCAM
and BobCAD/CAM. We do pretty much do all aerospace work for
Honeywell.

I have just started learning SmartCAM. Years ago I had
always wanted to learn SmartCAM but where I grew
up(Connecticut)was totally dominated by MasterCAM. Back
then(MasterCAM V 5.5) was not IMO anywhere near as good as
SmartCAM for 2 / 2 1/2 axis work.

So... I guess you could say I'm getting to relive my past
which to me is very cool. It's like getting to drive an old
classic car. I also like to use BobCAD DOS (just the CAD
part)on the shop floor because I think it's very fast for
shop floor kinds of stuff.... I don't use the mouse. :>)

jon

[cadcam]

Jon I have to agree that Smartcam was ahead of its time back then . but when the the brothers decided to sell that was the Doom of it.

I have a few ex smartcam user in my classes at this time.
They have alot of good things to say about it.
But they really like all the new tools in the 9.1 version of MC.

[Rekd]

I also like to use BobCAD DOS (just the CAD
part)on the shop floor because I think it's very fast for
shop floor kinds of stuff.... I don't use the mouse.

I've heard this before, it's nice not having to be mouse-dependant. Have you used to current versions? There is much controversy on the subject, as well as big hopes for v19 and their advances in solids.

'Rekd

[jonbanquer]

Originally posted by cadcam
Jon I have to agree that Smartcam was ahead of its time back then . but when the the brothers decided to sell that was the Doom of it.

I have a few ex smartcam user in my classes at this time.
They have alot of good things to say about it.
But they really like all the new tools in the 9.1 version of MC.

Jay, when Point Control was sold IMO SmartCAM's unique vision
was dead. I truly believe the creators of SmartCAM really
understood machining and had better ideas than their
competition....like much better.

SmartCAM certainly can't compete at 3 axis surfacing at this
point and if a shop needs associativity between model and
toolpath they can forget that as well.

SmartCAM is old, it's dated but it works well for what we do
with it.

Phoenix, AZ. has a few shops that are always looking for
MasterCAM programmers. I would like to learn it but not
until Version X. If I decide I want training, how far is
Valencia,CA from Phoenix?

jon

[cadcam]

SmartCAM is old, it's dated but it works well for what we do

If it is doing the job at this time there is no rush to get some thing else. Agreed?

SmartCAM certainly can't compete at 3 axis surfacing at this point

If they would of kept going they would most likely be my competition.

Phoenix, AZ. has a few shops that are always looking for
MasterCAM programmers.

I have been seeing this to.

If I decide I want training, how far is
Valencia,CA from Phoenix?

I would say this is a complement for sure from you.
I say it’s about 6 hours.

It would be my pleaser.

Till then keep cutting parts


J

[jonbanquer]

Originally posted by Rekd
I've heard this before, it's nice not having to be mouse-dependant. Have you used to current versions? There is much controversy on the subject, as well as big hopes for v19 and their advances in solids.

'Rekd

Hi 'Rekd (without the prefix I use to see.) ;>)

To directly answer your question I am the same jon banquer.
I must admit to being slightly amused by the person posting
as jbtech who you quoted. jbtech happens to be a name I did
business under in the past when I did consulting. This
"jbtech" also lists Phoenix, Arizona as their location and
only posts to threads I'm in. Seems harmless so far but
thought I would point this out.

In regards to your question on BobCAD/CAM I have tried most
of the versions since the DOS version and have been less
than impressed. IMO v19 will be more of the same and
probably be just as buggy as well.

On a brighter note, the progress OneCNC has made as well as
active participation in this forum by extremely knowledgable
and helpful former BobCAD/CAM users HuFlungDung and
WMS bodes well for OneCNC.

What kinds of parts do you program / machine ? Are you
looking forward to a true Windows UI in MasterCAM X as much
as I am ? What is the thing you or anyone else would most
like to see changed for version X?

jon

[Rekd]

Originally posted by jonbanquer

On a brighter note, the progress OneCNC has made as well as
active participation in this forum by extremely knowledgable
and helpful former BobCAD/CAM users HuFlungDung and
WMS bodes well for OneCNC.

Now THIS has piqued my curiosity. I'm pretty convinced of dung's capabilities, and to hear him talk about OneCNC makes me wonder.

I suppose I will be getting a demo of it just to see what all the hype is about. Sounds like very competent/affordable software.

What kinds of parts do you program / machine ? Are you
looking forward to a true Windows UI in MasterCAM X as much
as I am ? What is the thing you or anyone else would most
like to see changed for version X?

I program 3 and 4 axis stuff. Lots of microwave housings and the likes. I've done 3d surfacing with other programs, Cimitron, Virtual Gibbs and GibbsCAD/CAM. Used the basic machines, Fadal, Yasnac, Haas, Bosto etc etc. I also do a lot of computer programming, post mods and basic computer stuff. I currnetly am programming, setting up and running 5 HAAS' with rotabs. (Thank god we just hired an operator to help me and a setup guy that comes in for a few hours at nite. (Well, he starts tonite, so we'll see how he works out. )

I'm very excited about X. Especially since they've been coming to emastercam asking what we'd like to see different. I have high expectations.

As for the interface.. I will have to wait and see what route they've taken. I think the current menu/shortcut/toolbar system is quite easy to move around in and get things done without 100% mouse dependancy. But being someone who's developed several GUI's, I know how hard it can be to get things to work smoothly. Again, high hopes here as well.

I think the biggest thing for me is the absense of modality. Having the ability to use other areas of the program with the dialogs open will be monumental. I'd also like to see an excel style operations manager, as well as an excel style geometry editor, (like Virtual Gibbs' Geometry Expert), where you can load a chain into it, analyze and make edits easily and quickly.

The post GUI I could live without. I much prefer the functionality and control of the text based posts. Kind of like comparing Virtual Gibbs to Cimitron. Gibbs is easy to use, and works great for basic stuff you don't need/want much control over, and Cimitron gives you complete control over everything, but is harder to use.

'Rekd teh .02 cents

[jonbanquer]

Originally posted by cadcam
If it is doing the job at this time there is no rush to get some thing else. Agreed?

If they would of kept going they would most likely be my competition.

I have been seeing this to.

I would say this is a complement for sure from you.
I say it’s about 6 hours.

It would be my pleaser.

Till then keep cutting parts


J

Small job shop owners in Phoenix doing work for Honeywell
have really been hit hard by the downturn in commercial air
travel. I don't think anyone is thinking about major
investments at this time... just survival. Shops doing semi-
conductor work have also been hit very hard.

When I was using MasterCAM 5.5 I had a tough time with
understanding MasterCAM's post construction. There was only
a tiny very basic book offered by CNC Software back then
and the only other choice was to take a very expensive
course in Tolland, CT. I purchased the manuals from CNC
Software but the post processor one was in IMO too basic to
be of much help. Were you using MasterCAM at Version 5.5 ?

jon