CNCzone.com-The Largest Machinist Community on the net!



Home Page Mark Forums Read Today's Posts My Replies Classifieds Reviews Photo Gallery Web Links Share Files Advertise With Us Ad List
Go Back   CNCzone.com-The Largest Machinist Community on the net! > Other Machines > Laser Engraving & Cutting Machines


Laser Engraving & Cutting Machines Discuss CNC Laser cutting machines here!


This forum is sponsored by:

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1   Ban this user!
Old 03-04-2009, 11:37 AM
eli eli is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Canada
Posts: 3
eli is on a distinguished road
Desktop machine for pen turning business

Hi. Thanks in advance for any help you can give. We just bought a desktop laser engraver for our pen turning business. It's a 40W Co2, run by MoshiDraw. We've got it hooked up and running and I've somewhat successfully engraved a few wooden pen cases. I say somewhat because the text isn't as crisp as I would like, the carving is very shallow and I can't figure out how to carve deeper without burning. I tried engraving a pen last night (moderately hardwood) and it was terrible. It barely etched the surface, but was very dark and blotty. If I turn the power (is that the ammeter?) back too far, it just sort of mars the surface a bit, if I turn it up much it carves more deeply, like I want it to, but also burns quite a bit, and the characters become oversized. We have been getting the pens and cases engraved professionally, and they are nicely carved with the text, with very little, if any, darkness from burning.
So I'm wondering - how do I get crisp, clean lines with text and engrave about 1mm deep without getting the burning?
Sorry if I've used the wrong terms for anything...completely uninitiated here.
Reply With Quote

  #2   Ban this user!
Old 03-04-2009, 01:43 PM
Litografa's Avatar  
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Lithuania
Posts: 776
Litografa is on a distinguished road

First of all - better provide more information about laser - manufacturer, model, type of tube, software and etc. In this case answer will be faster and may be can help you.
In your case picture of possible problem will be helpful as CRISP/NOT CRISP is different for different peoples
Reply With Quote

  #3   Ban this user!
Old 03-04-2009, 03:15 PM
eli eli is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Canada
Posts: 3
eli is on a distinguished road
pics added

Thanks for the response...I was hoping it was just something general and simple that I was totally missing...Okay, here's some more info.
I'm not sure of the manufacturer...it's a Chinese import into Canada and they've slapped their own company name on it. All Image Printing, model AIP-E40W. I don't know what type of tube, other than 40W. Software is MoshiDraw. I've been varying the carving speed, the partition and the power to get these results.
Here's a pic with crisp text, done by a professional engraver, no idea what machine they used.

Next I tried engraving the same text on a case and it's either too dark and "burnt", as seen here...

Or if I go light enough that it's not "burnt" looking, then it has barely etched the surface, as seen here...

Another example of professionally done, and how I want mine to look...

And then here's what I get on the same pen...

Even worse...


So, to sum up--I want that crisp, carved, not "burnt" looking text. I either get very burnt, or light, but not etched deeply into the surface text. TIA for any help.

Last edited by eli; 03-04-2009 at 03:18 PM. Reason: more info
Reply With Quote

  #4   Ban this user!
Old 03-04-2009, 03:24 PM
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: USA
Posts: 1,475
mcphill is on a distinguished road
Buy me a Beer?

Have you tried multiple lower power passes? You don't need to cut the entire depth in one pass.
Reply With Quote

  #5   Ban this user!
Old 03-04-2009, 03:32 PM
MacGyver's Avatar  
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: usa
Posts: 240
MacGyver is on a distinguished road

Multiple passes are going to help, but ideally you would be using air assist to keep flaming down. Also consider masking your wood with some painter's tape (or again, ideally with sign transfer tape) to cut down on cleanup from smoke damage.
__________________
Hi-TecDesigns.com -- Automotive Lighting Systems
Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
  #6   Ban this user!
Old 03-04-2009, 04:38 PM
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: rockford, il
Posts: 104
tootalew is on a distinguished road

the tape will also allow you to paint the engraved text, as the pen barrel is already masked.
Reply With Quote

  #7   Ban this user!
Old 03-04-2009, 05:36 PM
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: USA
Posts: 284
LaserImage is on a distinguished road

It looks to me like it's out of focus and/or you have dirty mirrors or lens. Check all of your mirrors and lens to make sure they are clean and then very carefully set your focus then try again.
Reply With Quote

  #8   Ban this user!
Old 03-04-2009, 08:59 PM
eli eli is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Canada
Posts: 3
eli is on a distinguished road

Okay, I've cleaned the mirrors and checked focus. I tried engraving another pen, using painter's tape. That didn't make any difference in regards to burning too deep, or barely marking the surface. I tried multiple passes with the power meter turned right down and it still wanted to burn deeply in certain spots (the same certain spots each pass) and barely mark the surface in others. In fact the tape had big holes in some spots and had barely discoloured in other spots, so the depth of the carving is very inconsistent. That led me to wonder if it was the curve of the pen throwing things off. I engraved a line of text on a case and it looks quite good. Using the EXACT same settings I tried engraving on a pen and ended up with a mess. It carved deeply in some spots and not in others. It can't be that the type of wood I'm engraving on (Purpleheart) doesn't engrave well, because we've had it professionally engraved many times before, in fact, on the same pen I'm practising on. I've also been practising on a Black Walnut pen and getting the same miserable results, if not worse. The last pen in the pictures I posted earlier is Movingi, which isn't a terribly hard wood, and the cases are maple, just FYI. Thanks so much for helping, everyone.
Reply With Quote

  #9   Ban this user!
Old 03-05-2009, 06:09 AM
MacGyver's Avatar  
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: usa
Posts: 240
MacGyver is on a distinguished road

Ouch! Purpleheart? It's one of the more difficult woods to carve, so yes, it can be the wood. It's a heavy resin wood, so it's difficult to engrave without setting on fire (this is where air assist comes in). Walnut will give you a very dark engraving with heavy charring. The maple should engrave well, but the contrast won't be very high.

The tape I mentioned has practically zero effect on depth. Read my post again on what I suggested it for.

Also, have you aligned your beam? The optics could be perfectly clean but an undentered beam or out of alignment motion system will lead to uneven engraving/vectoring.

My best advice? Don't assume anything. Just because it was done well by someone else don't assume that means it's easy to accomplish the same thing. I bet good money the person who was doing the engraving for you had a more complete system than what you're working with right now (such as having air assist).
__________________
Hi-TecDesigns.com -- Automotive Lighting Systems
Reply With Quote

  #10   Ban this user!
Old 03-05-2009, 08:18 AM
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: USA
Posts: 1,265
zax15uk is on a distinguished road

Eli, have you tried adjusting the DPI/LPI settings?

I have found some woods work great if you use a higher power and faster speed, with a lower DPI. In contrast others require less power and multiple passes at high DPI.

As others have suggested, air assist may help with reducing the charring.

Zax.
Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
  #11   Ban this user!
Old 03-05-2009, 10:40 AM
Litografa's Avatar  
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Lithuania
Posts: 776
Litografa is on a distinguished road

Please output same file on another material - better on Alumamark. See result - if result is the same - image not sharp, different colors of engraved area - my opinion will be tube.
How long do you use this tube? It was installed in laser from factory? Is everything ok with cooling?

If engraving on Alumamark will be OK - choose another wood/pen
Reply With Quote

Reply

Tags
40w, burn, carve, text, wood




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
is there a desktop milling machine like this available? slow_rider Benchtop Machines 5 09-01-2009 04:37 PM
Building a smaller desktop cnc machine, stepper choice questions imprez55 DIY-CNC Router Table Machines 13 10-29-2008 05:52 PM
Need servo motors for desktop CNC milling machine PKaren Servo Motors and Drives 3 12-19-2006 06:01 AM
Desktop CNC Machine CLaNZeR Product Announcements & Manufacturer News 2 08-04-2005 08:11 PM
Machine working, Business & Website launched Moondog DIY-CNC Router Table Machines 1 02-16-2005 04:25 AM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:56 PM.





Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO
Template-Modifications by TMS

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361